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On 26/11/15 13:29, d wrote:
"Software engineering" is another recent phrase. Its what used to be known
as programming

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

Ian

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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:29:09 +0000
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/15 13:29, d wrote:
"Software engineering" is another recent phrase. Its what used to be known
as programming

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

Having done all aspects of development through from writing user specs down
to programming, I can assure that the actual programming is by far the hardest
task, takes the most time and takes the most experience. Any eejit can knock
up a flow chart in powerpoint and do a high level functional spec as
barely qualified managers prove on a daily basis.

--
Spud

Roland Perry

In message , at 09:49:30 on Fri, 27 Nov
2015, d remarked:
"Software engineering" is another recent phrase. Its what used to be known
as programming

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

The hard bit was the clinical trials leading to that procedure being
approved.

Having done all aspects of development through from writing user specs down
to programming, I can assure that the actual programming is by far the hardest
task, takes the most time and takes the most experience. Any eejit can knock
up a flow chart in powerpoint and do a high level functional spec as
barely qualified managers prove on a daily basis.

Paging messrs Dunning and Kruger.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:48:21 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:49:30 on Fri, 27 Nov
2015, d remarked:
"Software engineering" is another recent phrase. Its what used to be known
as programming

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

The hard bit was the clinical trials leading to that procedure being
approved.

And who do you think does the clinical trials on patients? Some guy on
jobseekers allowance from the dole office?

Having done all aspects of development through from writing user specs down
to programming, I can assure that the actual programming is by far the hardest
task, takes the most time and takes the most experience. Any eejit can knock
up a flow chart in powerpoint and do a high level functional spec as
barely qualified managers prove on a daily basis.

Paging messrs Dunning and Kruger.

Well isn't it odd how programmers quite easily transition over to management
but you almost never see the reverse happening even though contract coder
salaries can actually be considerably higher in a lot of industries?

Programming is a learnt skill, management is just common sense - any feckin
idiot who can speak in more than one syllable and can learn a few buzzwords
can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPu_d4SSOPk

--
Spud

Roland Perry

In message , at 13:46:37 on Fri, 27 Nov
2015, d remarked:
Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

The hard bit was the clinical trials leading to that procedure being
approved.

And who do you think does the clinical trials on patients? Some guy on
jobseekers allowance from the dole office?

Someone with greater skills than the average surgeon.

Having done all aspects of development through from writing user specs down
to programming, I can assure that the actual programming is by far the hardest
task, takes the most time and takes the most experience. Any eejit can knock
up a flow chart in powerpoint and do a high level functional spec as
barely qualified managers prove on a daily basis.

Paging messrs Dunning and Kruger.

Well isn't it odd how programmers quite easily transition over to management
but you almost never see the reverse happening even though contract coder
salaries can actually be considerably higher in a lot of industries?

Programming is a learnt skill, management is just common sense - any feckin
idiot who can speak in more than one syllable and can learn a few buzzwords
can do it.

QED.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:57:50 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:46:37 on Fri, 27 Nov
2015, d remarked:
Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

The hard bit was the clinical trials leading to that procedure being
approved.

And who do you think does the clinical trials on patients? Some guy on
jobseekers allowance from the dole office?

Someone with greater skills than the average surgeon.

I realise this is usenet, but I would suggest you don't comment on things you
clearly know the square root of bugger all about.

Well isn't it odd how programmers quite easily transition over to management
but you almost never see the reverse happening even though contract coder
salaries can actually be considerably higher in a lot of industries?

Programming is a learnt skill, management is just common sense - any feckin
idiot who can speak in more than one syllable and can learn a few buzzwords
can do it.

QED.

Really? You think because you do a management non job at that vacuous campaign
lobby group its up the ladder from what you did at Amstrad? I'll tell you
something pal, it won't be your current role you'll be remembered for.

Amusing website though your employer has. More buzzwords than a BBC strategy
white paper.

--
Spud

Roland Perry

In message , at 14:51:24 on Fri, 27 Nov
2015, d remarked:

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

The hard bit was the clinical trials leading to that procedure being
approved.

And who do you think does the clinical trials on patients? Some guy on
jobseekers allowance from the dole office?

Someone with greater skills than the average surgeon.

I realise this is usenet, but I would suggest you don't comment on things you
clearly know the square root of bugger all about.

Why do you think I don't know anything about medical research?

Well isn't it odd how programmers quite easily transition over to management
but you almost never see the reverse happening even though contract coder
salaries can actually be considerably higher in a lot of industries?

Programming is a learnt skill, management is just common sense - any feckin
idiot who can speak in more than one syllable and can learn a few buzzwords
can do it.

QED.

Really? You think because you do a management non job at that vacuous campaign
lobby group its up the ladder from what you did at Amstrad?

My ambition is to help at least as many people who are suffering from
cyber-abuse and unauthorised snooping, as those millions who were helped
by being able to buy an affordable Amstrad PCW (etc) to write that novel
or automate their business. Without my input it would have been like a
TRS80 clone running Wordstar, and crashed and burned.

I'll tell you
something pal, it won't be your current role you'll be remembered for.

I'm content to be remembered for what I did in the past. Things in the
future will be a bonus.

Amusing website though your employer has. More buzzwords than a BBC strategy
white paper.

Employer? If it's where I think you mean, I'm the director and main
shareholder too.
--
Roland Perry

Eric[_3_]

On 2015-11-27, d wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:29:09 +0000
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/15 13:29, d wrote:
"Software engineering" is another recent phrase. Its what used to be known
as programming

Programming is to software engineering as lathe operation is to
mechanical engineering.

LOL, yeah right. Thats like saying a surgeon is just the gut who makes the
incisions and ties some knots in string.

Having done all aspects of development through from writing user specs down
to programming, I can assure that the actual programming is by far the hardest
task, takes the most time and takes the most experience.

Any eejit can knock
up a flow chart in powerpoint and do a high level functional spec as
barely qualified managers prove on a daily basis.

Yes, but if you follow them carefully you will get a system that looks
like it was designed _and_ written by aformentioned eejit.

Eric
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ms fnd in a lbry

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