http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

In message , at 07:48:18 on Wed, 16 Dec
2015, Basil Jet remarked:

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line

My eye isn't tricked like that, and they *are* both the Overground,
after all.

three lines of nearly the same colour crossing over the same spot just
south of Selhurst is a complete disaster.

Yes, the line to East Croydon should cross over between to two
Streathams, for better clarity.

I particularly like the dumbbell at Charing Cross, emphasising the
Bakerloo station's separation (used to be Trafalgar Square of course).

But they've omitted the link from Waterloo East to Southwark, and the
south-of-the-river entrance to Blackfriars/Thameslink.

And I think the Bakerloo at Paddington should also be a dumbbell.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:48:18 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:



http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

Does it matter that Chiltern out of Marylebone is shown as going under
various other lines whereas in nearly every case it goes over them?
WCML, North London Line, WCML again, under the Piccadilly at Sudbury
is correct, Picc & Met near West Ruislip, and on the Aylesbury route
from Wembley Park, it uses the same structures as the Met,except that
it goes over the Met to Uxbridge as do the Down Met tracks.
None of this affects users of the lines so it is just pedantic
nit-picking!

Guy Gorton

On 2015\12\16 18:15, Guy Gorton wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:48:18 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:



http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

Does it matter that Chiltern out of Marylebone is shown as going under
various other lines whereas in nearly every case it goes over them?

I wasn't referring to whether lines go over or under each other in real
life. On a map, thin features should usually be drawn over fat features
so that the visual discontinuity is minimised. So at West Hampstead the
orange should be over the blue and purple, whereas at Northwick Park the
orange and its three buddies should go under the blue and purple (the
fact that these are different orange lines is irrelevant). This may
require a railway line to be in a low layer in some parts of the diagram
and a high layer in others, whereas I suspect he has just given each
railway line a single layer globally.

Another problem is Finsbury Park to Kings Cross. Anyone trying to plan a
route here will certainly see the 4-stop route, and might see the 2-stop
route, but the non-stop route is hard to see, partly because of multiple
pointless bends and partly because the Victoria Line is practically
drawn over the junction in the green line. If he must keep the NR line
in that X-Y position (I see no reason why he should), then the Vic
should go under it near Drayton Park and near Angel so that the Vic
doesn't obscure the junction and bend, but the Vic should remain over
the NR line at Finsbury Park so that the NR doesn't obscure the Vic's bend.

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 07:48:18 on Wed, 16 Dec
2015, Basil Jet remarked:

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line

My eye isn't tricked like that, and they *are* both the Overground,
after all.

three lines of nearly the same colour crossing over the same spot just
south of Selhurst is a complete disaster.

Yes, the line to East Croydon should cross over between to two
Streathams, for better clarity.

I particularly like the dumbbell at Charing Cross, emphasising the
Bakerloo station's separation (used to be Trafalgar Square of course).

But they've omitted the link from Waterloo East to Southwark, and the
south-of-the-river entrance to Blackfriars/Thameslink.

And I think the Bakerloo at Paddington should also be a dumbbell.

It will have its own link to the Crossrail station soon.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 14:41:53
on Wed, 16 Dec 2015, remarked:

And I think the Bakerloo at Paddington should also be a dumbbell.

It will have its own link to the Crossrail station soon.

Yes. I have a feeling that many of the Crossrail stations will probably
deserve additional dumbbells due to the distances involved.
--
Roland Perry

On 2015\12\16 10:43, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:48:18 on Wed, 16 Dec
2015, Basil Jet remarked:

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through
Cambridge Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye
follows them as a single line

My eye isn't tricked like that, and they *are* both the Overground,
after all.

Maybe like me you could have a good stab at drawing this map from
memory. But we should judge a map through the eyes of the clueless.

On 16/12/2015 07:48, Basil Jet wrote:


http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

The route shown from Blackfriars to East Croydon, via a link bypassing
London Bridge, is currently fiction! Avid readers of this map will be
surprised when they pass through Elephant, Herne Hill, Tulse Hill and
Crystals, plus innumerable intermediate stations.

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On 2015\12\16 22:33, Peter Lawrence wrote:
On 16/12/2015 07:48, Basil Jet wrote:


http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

The route shown from Blackfriars to East Croydon, via a link bypassing
London Bridge, is currently fiction! Avid readers of this map will be
surprised when they pass through Elephant, Herne Hill, Tulse Hill and
Crystals, plus innumerable intermediate stations.

I disagree strongly with your sentiment. If Thameslink trains run
non-stop from Blackfriars to East Croydon, then it doesn't matter much
where the line is shown. Since they are planned to call at London
Bridge, the portrayal used is probably the best one.

On 17/12/2015 00:26, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\16 22:33, Peter Lawrence wrote:
On 16/12/2015 07:48, Basil Jet wrote:


http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/

You might find it easier to save the save it to your hard drive and use
a preview or image viewer there.

Mostly I like it, but some things are deplorable.

The East London line through Whitechapel and the line through Cambridge
Heath are the same colour and almost co-linear, so the eye follows them
as a single line.

Similarly, the Overground lines through Camden Road and South Hampstead
acquire an imaginary Primrose Hill connection if you aren't careful.

The Chiltern line is one of the lowest layers and the Met is one of the
highest layers, causing odd effects where crossing other lines at
Northwick Park and West Hampstead.

The Southeastern services through Crofton Park are missing.

But the portrayal of the West Croydon - Tulse Hill area is an
improvement over the standard LC map... even if three lines of nearly
the same colour crossing over the same spot just south of Selhurst is a
complete disaster.

The route shown from Blackfriars to East Croydon, via a link bypassing
London Bridge, is currently fiction! Avid readers of this map will be
surprised when they pass through Elephant, Herne Hill, Tulse Hill and
Crystals, plus innumerable intermediate stations.

I disagree strongly with your sentiment. If Thameslink trains run
non-stop from Blackfriars to East Croydon, then it doesn't matter much
where the line is shown. Since they are planned to call at London
Bridge, the portrayal used is probably the best one.

The present representation is misleading, which should never be
countenanced. I admit that the possible effect on a passenger is only
panic that they might be on the wrong train, not that they are actually
neing carried to the wrog place. The representation of non-stop routes
on this map is alongside their stopping counerparts; whay make one
exception?


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