"Lawrence Myers" wrote in message ...

That was something completely different. In late 1930's there was a plan to
extend Edgware Branch northward to Elstree & Bushey Heath. Prelimiary
building work took place in Edgware and bridge butresses are still visible
from A41. This was abandoned on outbreak of WWII, and never resurrected.

The route being discussed here is the old goods line (orginally passenger)
from Mill Hill East, past Mill Hill (The Hale) to a separate station in
Edgware. It went past the site of the present Copthall Stadium.

A separate station in Edgware? I'm pretty sure it was intended to be
the same station in Edgware, with a junction between the two lines
immediately south-east of the station. Two of the platforms at Edgware
station are obviously placed to permit extension of the line under the
street, and you can (I think) still see the route of the line to Mill
Hill curving off to the left as you leave the station on the existing
Northern Line.

The Northern Line was roughly planned to have run from Bushey Heath to
Edgware, bifurcated into two routes from there to Camden Town, joined
up there, bifurcated again into two routes from there to Kennington,
and joined up again for the run to Morden. Oh, and there would have
been a route from Moorgate to High Barnet via Finsbury Park that
paralleled the Northern Line between East Finchley and Finchley
Central.

Imagine Celia: "This station is Edgware. This train terminates at
Kennington via Finchley Central and Charing Cross. Change here for the
Golders Green branch. The next station is Mill Hill (The Hale)."

Subject: Whatever happened to the Mill Hill East extension?

In 1937 the Northen "New" Line was going from MORGATE [then as now to] FIBSBURY
PARK.......STROUD GREEN -CROUCH END-HIGHGATE [INTERCHANGE WITH HIGH BARNET
LINE] -CRANLEY GARDENS-MUSWELL HILL- ALEXANDER PALACE= the
other line was planed to be...........MILL HILL EAST-MILLHILL [The Hale]
-EDGEWARE [as now] then BROCKLEY HILL-ELSTREE SOUTH-BUSHEY HEATH.= hope this
helps...P46

In article , Alistair
Bell writes
A separate station in Edgware? I'm pretty sure it was intended to be
the same station in Edgware, with a junction between the two lines
immediately south-east of the station.

There were two stations in Edgwa Edgware LNER and Edgware LER.

The Golders Green branch ran, and runs, to Edgware LER.

The Mill Hill branch ran to Edgware LNER. As part of the Northern
Heights work, passenger trains would have been diverted to Edgware LER
and thence Bushey Heath. Goods trains would have continued to use
Edgware LNER.

The Northern Line was roughly planned to have run
[...]

The planned service patterns we
- Kennington to Bushey Heath via Finchley and Charing Cross
- Kennington to High Barnet via Charing Cross
- Morden to Archway via Bank, extended to Finchley Central in the peaks
- Moorgate to East Finchley, extended to High Barnet in the peaks
- Moorgate to Alexandra Palace
- Moorgate to Finsbury Park tube (peak only)
- assorted services to Edgware via Golders Green

Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:59:04 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
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Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.

ITYM "connected". Attempts at coupling would have been interesting,
to say the least.

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In article , Bill Hayles
writes
Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.
ITYM "connected". Attempts at coupling would have been interesting,
to say the least.

No, coupled. Just like on the big railway.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Bill Hayles
writes
Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.
ITYM "connected". Attempts at coupling would have been interesting,
to say the least.

No, coupled. Just like on the big railway.

I think Bill is pointing out that the vertical difference between the two
lines at Highgate make that a bit of a problem. If coupling was going to be
performed it would most likely have been at Finchley Central as at East
Finchley the lines join north of the platforms.


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In article , John
Shelley writes
Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.
ITYM "connected". Attempts at coupling would have been interesting,
to say the least.
No, coupled. Just like on the big railway.
I think Bill is pointing out that the vertical difference between the two
lines at Highgate make that a bit of a problem.

In which case, both you and Bill are misunderstanding.

Train departs Moorgate, runs via Drayton Park, Finsbury Park (high
level), to Highgate High Level. Splits.
* One part turns right at Park Junction and heads to Ally Pally.
* The other part goes straight ahead and continues to East Finchley (or,
in the peaks, High Barnet).
Reverse the process for southbound trains.

I said "two routes *from* Moorgate".

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

I said "two routes *from* Moorgate".

I'd been considering routes from Moorgate (GN&C) and Moorgate (City Branch)
to a common destination. You didn't state to different destinations did
you?

I think we can agree that both were correct.


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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

John Shelley writes
Trains on the two main routes from Moorgate would have coupled at
Highgate.
ITYM "connected". Attempts at coupling would have been interesting,
to say the least.
No, coupled. Just like on the big railway.
I think Bill is pointing out that the vertical difference between the two
lines at Highgate make that a bit of a problem.

In which case, both you and Bill are misunderstanding.

Train departs Moorgate, runs via Drayton Park, Finsbury Park (high
level), to Highgate High Level. Splits.
* One part turns right at Park Junction and heads to Ally Pally.
* The other part goes straight ahead and continues to East Finchley (or,
in the peaks, High Barnet).
Reverse the process for southbound trains.

I said "two routes *from* Moorgate".

Sorry to be so pedantic, but wouldn't those have *un*coupled at Highgate?

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:29:48 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:


In which case, both you and Bill are misunderstanding.

Yes, I was. Apologies

Train departs Moorgate, runs via Drayton Park, Finsbury Park (high
level), to Highgate High Level. Splits.
* One part turns right at Park Junction and heads to Ally Pally.
* The other part goes straight ahead and continues to East Finchley (or,
in the peaks, High Barnet).
Reverse the process for southbound trains.

Although it's the first I've heard of this idea. AFAIK, it isn't
mentioned in Northern Wastes, which talks of fourteen trains per
hour from Moorgate via Finsbury Park, seven of which would go to
High Barnet and the other seven to Alexandra Palace.

Knowing you, I'm sure you have source for this. Can you let me know
what it is so that I can read up for myself. For various reasons,
not least an early childhood memory of a steam trip to Alexandra
Palace, this is one of my favourite topics.



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