On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
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In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria,
Jubilee (originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I
think that Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there
have been 2 more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I aid the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria or
jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube lines
could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that
Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2
more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I said the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria
or jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube
lines could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 07:35:51 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that
Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2
more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I said the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria
or jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube
lines could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

Strictly speaking there are five living men who should be addressed as
"Mr President". Of, course only one of them is currently serving his
term.

In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

--
Jeremy Double

In message

t, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:52:07 +0000, Roland Perry put
finger to keyboard and typed:

In message

t, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

It's not automatic at all. Here are a couple of (Googled at random)
descriptions of the process:

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hr/guide...rofessors.aspx
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/humrs/staff...procedure.html

Mark
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Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

"Roland Perry" wrote

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not so for the UK now - check Imperial College Physics Department for
example and indeed in 1968 York Physics Department had two.

Of course if you have handfuls of FRS and Nobel prize winners, not giving
them all the title is hardly likely.

The Americans would say (Full Professor) and we used to say Professor (and
Head of Department).

--
Mike D

Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not true, in the UK there are typically established chairs (of which there
can be more than one in larger departments), and personal chairs, which are
awarded on merit to people with very good research records. You can apply
for an established chair position when one becomes vacant, and it's like
any other job application, whereas personal chairs are awarded by the
promotions committee to current staff who prove themselves worthy. In many
universities, having a chair is not necessary to be the head of a
department.

--
Jeremy Double

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

,
at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

Seemed to be when my father retired in 1978. But there was no Emeritus
Reader status then so he was an Emeritus Lecturer.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not any more. There are plenty of holders of personal chairs in Cambridge
University to my knowledge. And conversely, not all US Heads of Department
are professors. My brother wasn't a professor before he retired but did a
stint as department chair.

--
Colin Rosenstiel