On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:12:08 GMT, Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:32:56 +0000, Robert
wrote:


Er, the Hammersmith & City Railway (H&CR) was financed jointly by the
GWR and the Metropolitain Railway and opened in 1864. There is nothing
artificial about it.

Point taken. When I lived in London 40 years back, the H&C was simply
part of the Met. If TfL want to maintain the GWR connection how about
helping the longsuffering passengers and restoring the cross-platform
interchange at Paddington. Before the issue of crossing the 3rd and
4th rail tracks comes up, that could be avoided with a long single
track from Royal Oak to platform 16.


Cross platform for who? The small number if trains which would use the
particular platform adjacent to the H&C platform - which would not
necessarily be to consistent destinations. Besides which with the new
entrance to the H&C platforms you'd actually further inconvenience non-H&C
travellers who did want to use your platform 16 trains.

The Crossrail tunnel entrance, and lines from there to the Crossrail depot
at OOC, have/will change the railway geography in that area - access to
your 'long single line' ('cos they never cause operational problems or
limit terminal platform re-occupation times) isn't as easy as you seem to
think.


More than happy to take the word of you, a professional.

However, I would point out:
At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Later, they could do the same by crossing a platform at Paddington.
Now this is lost. It will be somewhat replaced by Crossrail.

Likewise someone wishing to travel between Ladbroke Grove to Southall
could change at Westbourne Park. Now the traveller has to go thru
Paddington.

It is almost as if there is a conscious effort to isolate the
Hammersmith Branch. :-)

In message , at 10:24:35 on
Sun, 3 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Do you mean Moorgate?

They still can, by changing trains at Farringdon.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:54:09 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:24:35 on
Sun, 3 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Do you mean Moorgate?

They still can, by changing trains at Farringdon.

IIRC Farringdon was the original limit of the Met.

One can no longer take a train from say Acton Main Line to Great
Portland St (Portland Rd as was).

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:54:09 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:24:35 on
Sun, 3 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Do you mean Moorgate?

They still can, by changing trains at Farringdon.

IIRC Farringdon was the original limit of the Met.

One can no longer take a train from say Acton Main Line to Great
Portland St (Portland Rd as was).

I can remember when Acton Main Line had only about 3 trains a day! I
remember making a detour so I could catch one of them one day in the early
70s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Do you mean Moorgate?

IIRC Farringdon was the original limit of the Met.

Yes, but only for a period of just under 3 years, from January 1863
until December 1865. Through services of the GWR's own trains onto
the Met via Paddington ran from October 1863 until September 1939,
with some interruptions, so they originally ran to Farringdon St.
station (as it then was) and afterwards to Moorgate.

The Hammersmith & City Railway itself opened in June 1864, but it
only ever ran from Hammersmith as far as a junction with the GWR near
the present Westbourne Park station: its trains ran onto the GWR
to reach the Met, so this was also a service onto the Met from the
GWR mainline until the GWR separated it onto its own tracks in 1878.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "I don't have *any* minions any more."
-- Clive Feather

My text in this article is in the public domain.

In message , e27002 aurora
wrote:
However, I would point out:
At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Ceased late 1939; i.e. 76 years ago. So I doubt anyone is still missing
it.

Later, they could do the same by crossing a platform at Paddington.
Now this is lost.

It was lost on 12th November 1967; i.e. 48 years ago. (The new layout
was installed during the week 12th-19th.) So I doubt anyone is still
missing it.

Likewise someone wishing to travel between Ladbroke Grove to Southall
could change at Westbourne Park.

Closed March 1992; i.e. almost 24 years ago. Again, I doubt anyone is
still missing it.

Now the traveller has to go thru
Paddington.

True, though I doubt there is a huge suppressed demand.

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