Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\02\25 13:11, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:46:31 on
Thu, 25 Feb 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Surely the roundel will also be used on platforms used exclusively by
Elizabeth Line trains. Quite what will be used on parts of the route
still used by TOC's trains I do not know? Maybe they will have TOC
Name boards, or TfL Roundels, or both.

What happens at shared stations today. For example Wimbledon.

There aren't any shared platforms at Wimbledon. Elizabeth Line trains will
share platforms with GWR trains.

Hackney Downs is an Overground-managed station that has Anglia trains in
the peak using the same platforms. There are Overground-coloured
roundels with the station name on all platforms. It's not a problem, any
more than Bakerloo Line trains serving stations with Silverlink signs
was a problem in the old days.

I think people are arguing at cross purposes.
Some people think we are arguing about whether there will be roundels.
Some people think we are arguing about whether the roundels will be purple.

IMO it is a given that there will be purple roundels all over everything
that Crossrail owns or manages, even if GWR or Anglia stop there as
well. We're actually arguing about where, if anywhere, will there be
purple roundels with CROSSRAIL on them and where, if anywhere, will
there be purple roundels with ELIZABETH LINE written on them. I see
little use for the Elizabeth Line roundels - after all, the tube lines
do not AFAIK have their own roundels. I wouldn't be surprised if
yesterday's photo shoot was the last time we will ever see the ELIZABETH
LINE roundel, although the name itself will be widely used, often with
the CROSSRAIL roundel next to it.

My understanding is that the Crossrail name will not be used for the
finished product; it was, in effect, a development code name. So all the
roundels will say Elizabeth Line or the station name if they have any text
at all (some will just be a solid purple). It's true that individual Tube
lines don't have their own roundels, but the Underground, Buses, DLR and
Overground do, and I think the Elizabeth Line will be the same.

On 2016\02\26 00:35, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\02\25 13:11, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:46:31 on
Thu, 25 Feb 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Surely the roundel will also be used on platforms used exclusively by
Elizabeth Line trains. Quite what will be used on parts of the route
still used by TOC's trains I do not know? Maybe they will have TOC
Name boards, or TfL Roundels, or both.

What happens at shared stations today. For example Wimbledon.

There aren't any shared platforms at Wimbledon. Elizabeth Line trains will
share platforms with GWR trains.

Hackney Downs is an Overground-managed station that has Anglia trains in
the peak using the same platforms. There are Overground-coloured
roundels with the station name on all platforms. It's not a problem, any
more than Bakerloo Line trains serving stations with Silverlink signs
was a problem in the old days.

I think people are arguing at cross purposes.
Some people think we are arguing about whether there will be roundels.
Some people think we are arguing about whether the roundels will be purple.

IMO it is a given that there will be purple roundels all over everything
that Crossrail owns or manages, even if GWR or Anglia stop there as
well. We're actually arguing about where, if anywhere, will there be
purple roundels with CROSSRAIL on them and where, if anywhere, will
there be purple roundels with ELIZABETH LINE written on them. I see
little use for the Elizabeth Line roundels - after all, the tube lines
do not AFAIK have their own roundels. I wouldn't be surprised if
yesterday's photo shoot was the last time we will ever see the ELIZABETH
LINE roundel, although the name itself will be widely used, often with
the CROSSRAIL roundel next to it.

My understanding is that the Crossrail name will not be used for the
finished product; it was, in effect, a development code name. So all the
roundels will say Elizabeth Line or the station name if they have any text
at all (some will just be a solid purple). It's true that individual Tube
lines don't have their own roundels, but the Underground, Buses, DLR and
Overground do, and I think the Elizabeth Line will be the same.

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central line"
in your head.

And after CR2 opens, TCR would have "Elizabeth Line", "Charles line" and
"Underground", the last representing both the Central and the
Halfnorthern line, with the first two having different colours. Sorry,
but I'll believe it when I see it. The quality of service and trains on
the two Crossrail lines will be similar, so there is no need for them to
have their own branding until you get inside the station, and no need
for them to have their own roundels either. There is far more need for
the orbital Overground and the radial Overground to have their own
differently coloured roundels visible in the street (not that I am
necessarily advocating that).

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\02\26 00:35, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\02\25 13:11, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:46:31 on
Thu, 25 Feb 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Surely the roundel will also be used on platforms used exclusively by
Elizabeth Line trains. Quite what will be used on parts of the route
still used by TOC's trains I do not know? Maybe they will have TOC
Name boards, or TfL Roundels, or both.

What happens at shared stations today. For example Wimbledon.

There aren't any shared platforms at Wimbledon. Elizabeth Line trains will
share platforms with GWR trains.

Hackney Downs is an Overground-managed station that has Anglia trains in
the peak using the same platforms. There are Overground-coloured
roundels with the station name on all platforms. It's not a problem, any
more than Bakerloo Line trains serving stations with Silverlink signs
was a problem in the old days.

I think people are arguing at cross purposes.
Some people think we are arguing about whether there will be roundels.
Some people think we are arguing about whether the roundels will be purple.

IMO it is a given that there will be purple roundels all over everything
that Crossrail owns or manages, even if GWR or Anglia stop there as
well. We're actually arguing about where, if anywhere, will there be
purple roundels with CROSSRAIL on them and where, if anywhere, will
there be purple roundels with ELIZABETH LINE written on them. I see
little use for the Elizabeth Line roundels - after all, the tube lines
do not AFAIK have their own roundels. I wouldn't be surprised if
yesterday's photo shoot was the last time we will ever see the ELIZABETH
LINE roundel, although the name itself will be widely used, often with
the CROSSRAIL roundel next to it.

My understanding is that the Crossrail name will not be used for the
finished product; it was, in effect, a development code name. So all the
roundels will say Elizabeth Line or the station name if they have any text
at all (some will just be a solid purple). It's true that individual Tube
lines don't have their own roundels, but the Underground, Buses, DLR and
Overground do, and I think the Elizabeth Line will be the same.

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central line"
in your head.

And after CR2 opens, TCR would have "Elizabeth Line", "Charles line" and
"Underground", the last representing both the Central and the
Halfnorthern line, with the first two having different colours. Sorry,
but I'll believe it when I see it. The quality of service and trains on
the two Crossrail lines will be similar, so there is no need for them to
have their own branding until you get inside the station, and no need
for them to have their own roundels either. There is far more need for
the orbital Overground and the radial Overground to have their own
differently coloured roundels visible in the street (not that I am
necessarily advocating that).

I'm not disagreeing with your scepticism, just saying what I think the
announcement means. Personally, I'd have rather kept the Crossrail name,
but it looks like Elizabeth Line is a direct replacement for it. Remember
that it will have several different services, so in that sense, it's a bit
like the Overground (or of course the Central line).

In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

* Rather than District Line.
--
Roland Perry

On 26/02/2016 08:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

The main facade has the indecisive arrow and a generic Underground roundel


* Rather than District Line.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:

On 26/02/2016 08:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

The main facade has the indecisive arrow and a generic Underground roundel

I was going to say I thought it was different from that, but it turns
out that was Kensal Green.

http://now-here-this.timeout.com/201...ay-underground
-overground-wombling-free/

Sam

--
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

BR arrows and Underground.


* Rather than District Line.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:32:49 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

BR

koffNR/koff

arrows and Underground.

It is not a TfL property thus not guaranteed to match TfL's rules.
Richmond station isn't either but it has got a totem outside which
from top to bottom shows - double arrow, Overground, Underground,
station name; IIRC the last item is also non-conforming to TfL style.

LU itself doesn't seem to get it right every time - the double arrow
has disappeared from the south side of Harrow Met. station**; it looks
like the big window (which had sections missing where the LNER and
later the BR badges fitted in) has been replaced at some time with
more modern materials. The "repro" totem out on Lowlands Road is
similarly devoid (if they were doing the job properly it should have
an LNER symbol below) but the totem in College Road is conforming with
an Underground roundel over the double arrows.

**Older view :-
http://www.urban75.net/forums/thread....208665/page-5
(The LNER's successors' signs were similarly positioned)


* Rather than District Line.

On 27/02/2016 03:22, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:32:49 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

BR

koffNR/koff

Nope deliberately BR, NR appropriated it later.


arrows and Underground.



--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 08:30:01 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 27/02/2016 03:22, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:32:49 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 01:03:21 on Fri, 26 Feb
2016, Basil Jet remarked:

So outside Stratford there would be three roundels - "Underground",
"Overground" and "Elizabeth line". That would be weird - it instantly
puts the question "Why doesn't the Underground roundel say Central
line" in your head.

You forgot the Jubilee Line, DLR and Abellio GA.

What roundels are outside Wimbledon, which has Underground*, Tramlink,
and National Rail (genuine question).

BR

koffNR/koff

Nope deliberately BR, NR appropriated it later.

It _was_ BR, it _now_ indicates NR services as per the question posed.
If the signs on the front of Wimbledon station are the same age as the
station name then the font of the latter suggests they are post-BR.

Unless one has gone up since the Googlewagen passed last October,
there is no totem at the front of Wimbledon station thus no indication
in that style for Tramlink. None of the images thrown up by Google
(except for some from Southern Railway days) seem to go as far back as
NSE due to the lack of R+W+B elements.


arrows and Underground.