Read this article http://footprintsoflondon.com/2016/0...s-in-the-700s/ today which says that Green line routes are in the 700 range because trolley bus routes were reserved route numbers 500-699. Do you know if that's the case? Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria
--
Bryan Morris
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

Guy Gorton

In message , Guy Gorton
writes
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

Guy Gorton

On numbering BTW , with trams the notation was even-numbered services
south of the Thames and odd-numbered ones north of the River .When
trolley buses replaced trams the numbers were preceded by 5 or 6
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Bryan Morris
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 8:21:49 AM UTC-5, Rob wrote:
Read this article http://footprintsoflondon.com/2016/0...s-in-the-700s/ today which says that Green line routes are in the 700 range because trolley bus routes were reserved route numbers 500-699. Do you know if that's the case? Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

It's the old Bassom System of route numbering, created in the 1920s by Chief Constable (sic - a historic rank roughly equivalent to a Commander in today's Met) A. E. Bassom of the Metropolitan Police - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...assificati on

Bassom was also responsible for creating the Knowledge and the tight turining circle required of London cabs.
--
Roy

Guy Gorton wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

And the orbial ones like the 725,726 (one of the few still going now
x26) roughly
Gravsend-Dartford-Bromley-Croydon-Sutton-Kingston-Heathrow-Windsor

727 Crawley-West London-Luton (later 747 Gatwick-Heathrow)

--
Mark

In article , ine (Bryan
Morris) wrote:

On numbering BTW , with trams the notation was even-numbered
services south of the Thames and odd-numbered ones north of the River
.When trolley buses replaced trams the numbers were preceded by 5 or 6

Up to a point Lord Copper! Those route numbering rules were for the LCC
network. And South London had a few odd-numbered routes which traversed the
Kingsway Tram Tunnel linking the two sides of the system. There were some
even-numbered routes which crossed Putney Bridge to the north side of the
Thames. An odd-numbered route 89 that was jointly operated with LUT also
crossed Putney Bridge.

The combine (LUT, MET & SMET) and other municipal operator routes didn't
follow those numbering rules and after the establishment of the LPTB in 1933
there was quite a bit of duplication. The Uxbridge Road LUT route 7 had
three duplicates in East London only reduced to two after limited
renumbering. That was one reason why trolleybuses had routes in the 5xx and
6xx series. The 655 trolleybus which crossed Putney Bridge was based on an
LUT route 55 tram extended to replace the 89. The 555 was in East London
replacing a 55 tram route run jointly by the LCC and Leyton UDC. In general
6xx routes were in West London and 5xx routes in the east. The main
exception were some route pairs going opposite ways round terminating loops
north of central London (where no tram or trolleybuses ever penetrated). An
example was the 521 & 621 pair from North Finchley to the Holborn loop via
Farringdon Road and Gray's Inn Road. There was several other such pairs
using the Holborn loop. This was because a tramway could come to an end as a
terminus with trams using a crossover to reverse on the same route while
trolleybuses had to run round loops so the ends of tram routes were
connected up with new wiring to form loops in the conversion programme.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Guy Gorton) wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

And a 7 tram route before them. Green Line (7xx) has to be distinguished
from Country Area (3xx, 4xx and some 800-849 & 850+)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Guy Gorton wrote on 26 Jan 2016 at
14:51 ...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just outside
London that don't start with a 7?

Rob

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to outside)
and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over Green
Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

And also since 1990 a bus route 607, the limited-stop version of the
207. (The 207 was split in 2005 into two overlapping sections numbered
207 and 427.)

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In article ,
(Mark Bestley) wrote:

Guy Gorton wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:14:42 +0000, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Rob
writes
Are there any modern routes that serve Victoria and areas just
outside London that don't start with a 7?

You have to distinguish between Green Line (Centre of London to
outside) and London Country Buses (also painted green & which took over
Green Line in 1986)

Not all Green Line served Victoria

They certainly did not! Our services out in Bucks were 709, 710 and
711, all off which went through central London to various destinations
in Surrey. In the 1950s we used them regularly from the
Uxbridge/Hillingdon area.. The trolley buses along the Uxbridge Road
were numbered 607. There is a bus route 207 to this day.

And the orbial ones like the 725,726 (one of the few still going now x26)
roughly Gravsend-Dartford-Bromley-Croydon-Sutton-Kingston-Heathrow-Windsor

727 Crawley-West London-Luton (later 747 Gatwick-Heathrow)

No longer Green Line those two but still part of the 7x7 series of National
Express airport coaches, several of which get to Cambridge.

--
Colin Rosenstiel