In message , at 10:32:49 on
Tue, 10 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

Let's hope it does - they've given themselves plenty of time.

And doesn't get into an eternal September timewarp like the night tube
(Sept 2015).

What is it about September, and TfL, anyway?
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Roland Perry

"Recliner" wrote in message
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 17:45:25 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked:

an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can
make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care
about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed.

Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that,
I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise.

The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't
remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as
buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or
anti-circular-trip mechanism.


The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

Good work. I guess they could read the opinion polls just like everyone
else, and realised very early on that Sadiq was the likely winner and they
should be helping him with one of his key pledges.

I did notice that in one of his victory speeches he was fulsome in his
praise for the police and fire services, but just said that he looked
forward to working with TfL. He's also on the record as saying how flabby
and wasteful it is:

"Fares don’t have to keep going up like this.

Because at the same time as fares have gone up, TfL has become more and
more bloated.
They simply haven’t had to make the efficiency savings that other parts of
the public sector have had to in recent years.

Did you know - they pay 450 staff more than £100,000 a year.

They spend £383 million a year on consultants and agency workers – which
has more than doubled under Boris Johnson.

It's impossible to say that this represents bad value for money without
knowing what these workers achieved and what the equivalent cost of doing
the work with "full-time" employees would have been.

Using agency workers isn't always the worst case cost-wise, plenty of major
companies use them precisely because they are cheaper.

(Though I accept that they are, almost, always bad from the pov of workers
rights, so if you are a left leaning organisation/person this fact may trump
all others. But you can't use "cost" as a proxy for this argument, you have
to make it explicitly)

They wasted £900 million on the tube signalling contract disaster with
Bombardier.

wasn't this forced upon them by HMG, despite TfL's protestations?

tim

tim... wrote:

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 17:45:25 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked:

an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can
make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care
about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed.

Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that,
I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise.

The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't
remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as
buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or
anti-circular-trip mechanism.


The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

Good work. I guess they could read the opinion polls just like everyone
else, and realised very early on that Sadiq was the likely winner and they
should be helping him with one of his key pledges.

I did notice that in one of his victory speeches he was fulsome in his
praise for the police and fire services, but just said that he looked
forward to working with TfL. He's also on the record as saying how flabby
and wasteful it is:

"Fares don’t have to keep going up like this.

Because at the same time as fares have gone up, TfL has become more and
more bloated.
They simply haven’t had to make the efficiency savings that other parts of
the public sector have had to in recent years.

Did you know - they pay 450 staff more than £100,000 a year.

They spend £383 million a year on consultants and agency workers – which
has more than doubled under Boris Johnson.

It's impossible to say that this represents bad value for money without
knowing what these workers achieved and what the equivalent cost of doing
the work with "full-time" employees would have been.

Using agency workers isn't always the worst case cost-wise, plenty of major
companies use them precisely because they are cheaper.

(Though I accept that they are, almost, always bad from the pov of workers
rights, so if you are a left leaning organisation/person this fact may trump
all others. But you can't use "cost" as a proxy for this argument, you have
to make it explicitly)

They wasted £900 million on the tube signalling contract disaster with
Bombardier.

wasn't this forced upon them by HMG, despite TfL's protestations?

I've heard that there was Treasury pressure to "save" money, but it was
actually Boris's decision to overrule Peter Hendy, who knew it was a bad
idea.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been
working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something
that Johnson can take the credit for :-)

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PERL: Politely Expressed Racoon Love

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been
working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something
that Johnson can take the credit for :-)

It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their
supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the
bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't
charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code.

No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader
software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long
period?

--
Spud

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:11:54 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been
working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something
that Johnson can take the credit for :-)

It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their
supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the
bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't
charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code.

No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader
software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long
period?

Is capping implemented in the bus card readers themselves, or the back
office?

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Will this do?

Quote:
Speaking about the launch of the new fare, London’s Transport
Commissioner, Mike Brown, said: “This new option will benefit a huge
number of our passengers. For many people catching more than one bus
is the only way they can get from A to B. This fare will enable us to
better meet the needs of those Londoners who live or work in areas
which aren’t as well served by Tube or rail services.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...-in-september/


Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been
working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something
that Johnson can take the credit for :-)

Not if it wasn't his policy or if he didn't announce it as a future
plan.

On 2016-05-10 09:32:49 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

Certainly a good thing which I recall some on here suggesting was impossible.

Next step - a proper Verbundtarif? One zonal fare for any journey
involving any combination of modes, and a second lower flat fare for
any journey involving only buses?

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:34:10 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:11:54 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been
working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something
that Johnson can take the credit for :-)

It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their
supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the
bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't
charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code.

No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader
software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long
period?

Is capping implemented in the bus card readers themselves, or the back
office?

Would be too slow if the reader had to phone home for every touch in. Must
be implemented internally presumably with any new settings uploaded each
day at the depot.

--
Spud

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September.

https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552

As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background
so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto.

I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to
misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts.

Will this do?

Quote:
Speaking about the launch of the new fare, London’s Transport
Commissioner, Mike Brown, said: “This new option will benefit a huge
number of our passengers. For many people catching more than one bus
is the only way they can get from A to B. This fare will enable us to
better meet the needs of those Londoners who live or work in areas
which aren’t as well served by Tube or rail services.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...ngdom/england/
london/articles/tfls-london-bus-hopper-fare-to-commence-in-september/

Caroline Pigeon and the London Lib Dems have been banging on about this for
a decade so there would have been reasons to look at feasibility for some
time now.

One advantage of this change is that it will allow considerable route
simplification if TfL wants it. Routes are partly based on avoiding
passengers changing buses and this will become less of a consideration (but
not none at all) in future.

--
Colin Rosenstiel