It's all over bar the declaration.

Congratulations from me, if not from others here on this random and
dusty crevice of the internet! Greens doing well too.

We await the results of the London Assembly elections.

I'm very glad Zac's nasty campaign blew right up in his face. Apparently
Lynton Crosby had no involvement in it, which if anything makes Zac look
even worse. Two tweets relating to that...

Dave Hill of the Guardian:
https://twitter.com/DaveHill/status/728619646224637952
"If you've yet to hear it, best quote on Zac campaign from senior London
Tory: 'A dog whistle in a city with no dogs.' "

Jim Waterson, political editor of BuzzFeed UK:
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/728617840778088448
"Any London Conservatives who *do* want to defend Zac Goldsmith's
campaign? City Hall just full of Tories saying they're disgusted with him."


OK, guess I should think about the future ramifications for transport!

Also today - Boris (still Mayor until Sunday midnight I think)
officially opened the segregated east-west cycle superhighway along the
Embankment from Big Ben to the Tower:

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-06/boris-johnson-bows-out-as-london-mayor-with-a-final-public-duty-opening-a-new-bike-lane/
or via http://tinyurl.com/zvbwgyg

I'm no great fan of Boris, but it's possible proper segregated cycleways
(rather than just 'blue paint') might actually be his real legacy. I
trust Sadiq will push ahead with this programme.

Mizter T wrote:
It's all over bar the declaration.

Congratulations from me, if not from others here on this random and
dusty crevice of the internet! Greens doing well too.

We await the results of the London Assembly elections.

I'm very glad Zac's nasty campaign blew right up in his face. Apparently
Lynton Crosby had no involvement in it, which if anything makes Zac look
even worse. Two tweets relating to that...

Dave Hill of the Guardian:
https://twitter.com/DaveHill/status/728619646224637952
"If you've yet to hear it, best quote on Zac campaign from senior London
Tory: 'A dog whistle in a city with no dogs.' "

Jim Waterson, political editor of BuzzFeed UK:
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/728617840778088448
"Any London Conservatives who *do* want to defend Zac Goldsmith's
campaign? City Hall just full of Tories saying they're disgusted with him."


OK, guess I should think about the future ramifications for transport!

Also today - Boris (still Mayor until Sunday midnight I think)
officially opened the segregated east-west cycle superhighway along the
Embankment from Big Ben to the Tower:

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-06/boris-johnson-bows-out-as-london-mayor-with-a-final-public-duty-opening-a-new-bike-lane/
or via http://tinyurl.com/zvbwgyg

I'm no great fan of Boris, but it's possible proper segregated cycleways
(rather than just 'blue paint') might actually be his real legacy. I
trust Sadiq will push ahead with this programme.


It seems that Sadiq may be bringing in his old boss, Andrew Adonis, to
oversee transport. Not sure how that squares with his national
infrastructure role.

But, yes, whoever is in charge of transport, I suspect that the cycleway
policy will continue. Presumably, with his background, Sadiq will be keen
on buses, but I suspect he won't be ordering any more Boris buses...

In message of Sun, 8 May
2016 15:06:07 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Fri, 6 May 2016 18:39:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:


[snip]
The word "bus" was mentioned 7 times in his manifesto (yes I did
check). Six of those mentions were in connection with the 1 hour
ticket proposals. There are NO policies that support the expansion or
the improvement of the bus network. "Maintaining the quality" is as
far as it got.


I had missed Sadiq's policy on bus fares, before Paul referred to it.
It is in http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...b9526a21db3279
000001/attachments/original/1457451016/x160668_Sadiq_Khan_Manifesto.pdf?
1457451016
It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce
a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..."
I guess that could be loaded on Oyster cards.
I currently have
11:46 Bus journey, route 21 £1.50 £9.40
11:28 Bus journey, route 100 £1.50 £10.90
Presumably I could have
12:30 Bus journey, route 43 £1.50 £9.40
11:46 Bus journey, route 21 £0.00 £10.90
11:28 Bus journey, route 100 £1.50 £10.90

I trust bus validators are capable of the additional logic.
Paul referred somewhere to cancellation of a project to replace
validators. Contactless should be no problem as pricing seems tobe a
batch operation, rather than being done in real time.

He does not address contactless being potentially cheaper than Ouster.
(The former supports Monday-Sunday caps; the latter does not.)

Caroline Pidgeon has had similar ideas for ages. Ottawa had similar
charding 25 years ago. Better late than never.

By the way, I looked at the Additional Member Figures.
(I had to do the calculations, myself. London Elects will show them,
real soon( Wikipedia (London Assembly elections, 2016) agrees with my
numbers. The last elected additional member will sit for UKIP with a
quotient of 85534. The Women's Equality Party, having got a 3.6% share,
was excluded for not managing 5%. Their quotient would have been 91772.
Tories have been bleating about Barnet; WEP seems to have maintained a
dignified silence. (No, I did not vote for them
--
Walter Briscoe

In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9
May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked:
It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce
a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..."

Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that
people don't touch *out*?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry writes:

In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9
May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked:
It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce
a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..."

Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that
people don't touch *out*?

And that some single journeys can take more than an hour.

Or make it that you have to touch out of bus journeys and treat it
similarly to underground/rail OSI such that touching in on one bus
within a period of touching out of another, is considered to be one
journey. So for example if you were to travel from Waterloo to
Paddington by catching a 211 or 507 and change at Victoria to the next
36 or 436, it would count as one journey.

In message , at 19:49:39 on Mon,
9 May 2016, Graham Murray remarked:
Roland Perry writes:

In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9
May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked:
It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce
a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..."

Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that
people don't touch *out*?

And that some single journeys can take more than an hour.

Such a journey doesn't require two tickets now, and few would expect it
to in future.

Or make it that you have to touch out of bus journeys and treat it
similarly to underground/rail OSI such that touching in on one bus
within a period of touching out of another, is considered to be one
journey. So for example if you were to travel from Waterloo to
Paddington by catching a 211 or 507 and change at Victoria to the next
36 or 436, it would count as one journey.

An hour is a rather small granularity to be messing with OSIs I think.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:46:23 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked:
As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it
is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in
central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all
sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My
only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick
fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce.

If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem
to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in
place (isn't it?)
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:46:23 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked:
As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it
is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in
central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all
sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My
only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick
fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce.

If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem
to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in
place (isn't it?)

Yes, the logic for an hourly cap seems simple enough, although I suppose
there's bound to be some strange edge cases.

Given that he also promises to freeze fares, I wonder how he plans to make
up the revenue loss?

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:30:53 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it
is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in
central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all
sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My
only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick
fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce.

If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem
to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in
place (isn't it?)

Yes, the logic for an hourly cap seems simple enough, although I suppose
there's bound to be some strange edge cases.

Given that he also promises to freeze fares, I wonder how he plans to make
up the revenue loss?

Stuffing ever more passengers onto the existing buses and tubes?
--
Roland Perry

On 09/05/2016 17:45, Paul Corfield wrote:

The crucial issue is whether the 3 caps are hard wired into the card
and system design or if there is flexibility to add more caps within
the system.

Isn't part of the point of the new back office system for contactless
that it can be told to do more and cleverer stuff?

If there is flexibility then yes, broadly, an hourly cap
works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return
journey for a single fare within 1 hour.

That has long been possible on Tramlink (within 90 minutes, maybe?).

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK