In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than
engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various
artificial limits.

Yup. We're now much more aware of the non-CO2 pollution from diesels.

The previous [petrol] car would have failed on account of hydrocarbon
emissions.
--
Roland Perry

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

How will they know?
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May 2016,
tim... remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or
not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old,
but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6
compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to
meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque.

I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable
manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site does) is
"opaque".

ISTM that the rule is quite clear (even if both you and Recliner have
mis-understood it).

You just have to go somewhere else to find out whether you qualify

My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to
help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to
be Euro 4 (diesel).

It isn't TfL's fault that DVLA implemented this change late

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to
say what the implications are.

you have to pay the fee

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular"

As that is a very new possibility why would you expect to find it on the
website?

the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion
zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for
congestion charges inside the "circulars".

I suspect that the enlargement will not happen. As you have pointed out it
will disenfranchise too many people too quickly.

But it still isn't clear how they will enforce it within the current zone if
the DVLA don't have the details of everyone's emission class

It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some
reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did
comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them

tim

"Recliner" wrote in message
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eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are
allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo
the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take
the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail
to say what the implications are.

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone
cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it
without paying...

It's just a consultation at the moment, isn't it? That's bound to be one
of the big questions to be settled.

It was less of an issue when only the CC zone was affected, with
relatively
few residents, but with a much expanded zone, it's an important issue that
will affect many thousands of people. There may have to be some sort of
temporary grandfather rights if you register an older car in advance.

There is to be a three year grace period for current residents (did *none*
of you actually read the information on the website?)

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

How will they know?

They will know :-)

tim

"tim..." writes:

It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some
reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they
did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them

For new cars, it will be known, and for older cars could the appropriate
rating not be determined during the MOT?

In article ,
(Graham Murray) wrote:

"tim..." writes:

It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some
reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they
did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them

For new cars, it will be known, and for older cars could the appropriate
rating not be determined during the MOT?

Unlikely as cars are not compliant with the standard's requirements once
they have left the factory.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 15:26:08
on Sat, 14 May 2016, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked:
Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space
for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow
students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North
Circular?

I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a
bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack.

That's about a third of what's required.

Desired rather than required.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 19:17:40
on Sat, 14 May 2016, remarked:
Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space
for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow
students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North
Circular?

I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a
bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack.

That's about a third of what's required.

Desired rather than required.

I wish - there's about 50kg of books/notes and these days student
accommodation is self-catering so that's a whole lot more stuff
to cart around. Add some bedding and the car's soon full.
--
Roland Perry