On 2016\06\13 18:53, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to realize
that they would be better off as unitary authorities outwith the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares would
also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which does have TfL
services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)

Although Crossrail 2 is currently planned to serve EVERY station on the
four railway lines in LB Kingston.

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to
realize that they would be better off as unitary authorities outwith
the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares
would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which
does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in to
the EU. Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I didn't hear that programme, but I wish I had because I find
it totally incredible that we "benefit" 10 times what we pay in.
Gross distortion and exaggeration is not unique to the Leave
campaigners. Nor is gullibility unique to those who wish to leave.

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In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will
take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to
realize that they would be better off as unitary authorities outwith
the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really
popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares
would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which
does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in to
the EU.

On the assumption that the "trade" benefits of the EU aren't lost if we
leave - a bloody big assumption (that is almost certainly incorrect)

Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

No

tim

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/06/2016 12:15, Basil Jet wrote:
* Sutton, which has trams

Strictly speaking true, but not that useful unless you want to go one
stop from Beddington Lane to Therapia Lane.

That's silly. It's like claiming that the northern line isn't that
useful for Merton residents as you can only travel between Colliers
Wood, South Wimbledon, and Mordon.

The benefit that the Northern Line brings to Merton is that enables
some Merton residents to leave Merton; likewise the tram and Sutton.

Cheers,
Mike

--
Mike Bristow

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In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will
take Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough
Kingston-Upon-Thames to realize that they would be better off as
unitary authorities outwith the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really
popular among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher
tram fares would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite
Croydon, which does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and
Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in
to the EU.

On the assumption that the "trade" benefits of the EU aren't lost if
we leave - a bloody big assumption (that is almost certainly incorrect)

Getting further away from the world's largest single market isn't going to
help trade. It's going to hinder it. Suicidal.

Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

No

Available on the Radio 4 web site. Next episode today at noon.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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(Robin9) wrote:

;156183 Wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:
-
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:
-
On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:-
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to
realize that they would be better off as unitary authorities
outwith the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares
would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which
does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.-

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon-

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)-

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in
to the EU. Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

I didn't hear that programme, but I wish I had because I find
it totally incredible that we "benefit" 10 times what we pay in.
Gross distortion and exaggeration is not unique to the Leave
campaigners. Nor is gullibility unique to those who wish to leave.

"We benefit" means the country's gross product benefits (as I said) but we
get a big share of that. Remember that more trade equals more money going
round of which we all get some, even if not as fair shares as many would
like.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

;156183 Wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:
-
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:
-
On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:-
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to
realize that they would be better off as unitary authorities
outwith the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares
would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which
does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.-

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon-

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)-

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in
to the EU. Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

I didn't hear that programme, but I wish I had because I find
it totally incredible that we "benefit" 10 times what we pay in.
Gross distortion and exaggeration is not unique to the Leave
campaigners. Nor is gullibility unique to those who wish to leave.

"We benefit" means the country's gross product benefits (as I said) but we
get a big share of that. Remember that more trade equals more money going
round of which we all get some, even if not as fair shares as many would
like.

I agree with you, but please can we try and keep this as a referendum-free
zone? There seems little new to say, but it still fills the TV and the
newspapers.

I'm utterly sick of stories about it, and just wish it was all over.
Probably like nearly everyone here, I made up my mind long ago; I suspect
that no-one will have their opinions changed by what they read here.
Indeed, I voted by post weeks ago, so it would be irrelevant anyway.

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In article ,
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/06/2016 12:15, Basil Jet wrote:
* Sutton, which has trams

Strictly speaking true, but not that useful unless you want to go one
stop from Beddington Lane to Therapia Lane.

That's silly. It's like claiming that the northern line isn't that
useful for Merton residents as you can only travel between Colliers
Wood, South Wimbledon, and Mordon.

The benefit that the Northern Line brings to Merton is that enables
some Merton residents to leave Merton; likewise the tram and Sutton.

The point is that Morden (S. Wimbledon and Wimbledon) are situated in the
centre of Merton borough

The trams line simply skirts the boundary of Sutton and is unless to the 98%
of the borough residents who aren't within walking distance

tim

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In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

;156183 Wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:15:42 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:
-
On 2016\06\13 10:07, solar penguin wrote:-
On Monday, 13 June 2016 08:59:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

e27002 wrote:

It was deceptive to say the least. One wonders how long it will take
Borough of Croydon, and the Royal Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames to
realize that they would be better off as unitary authorities
outwith the GLA monolith.

Yes, I'm sure that losing their Freedom Passes would be really popular
among the residents of those boroughs! No doubt, higher tram fares
would also raise a cheer. But I wonder why you cite Croydon, which
does have TfL services, rather than Bromley and Bexley, which don't?

Just to be pedantic: Bromley has TfL London Overground services from
3 stations in the borough.-

All boroughs have TfL railways to Central London except

* Sutton, which has trams
* Kingston, which has nothing
* Bexley, which is getting Crossrail at Abbey Wood soon-

So the Royal Borough benefits very little from the council taxes and
business rates it contributes to the GLA. A bit like the UK in the EU
really. :-)-

More Brexit lies I see. The UK benefits about 10 times what it pays in
to the EU. Or weren't you listening to Radio 4 at noon today?

I didn't hear that programme, but I wish I had because I find
it totally incredible that we "benefit" 10 times what we pay in.
Gross distortion and exaggeration is not unique to the Leave
campaigners. Nor is gullibility unique to those who wish to leave.

"We benefit" means the country's gross product benefits (as I said) but we
get a big share of that. Remember that more trade equals more money going
round of which we all get some, even if not as fair shares as many would
like.

And I see you ignored my last comment so I make it again

The idea that we would lose all of that trade if we left the EU is simply
preposterous

tim