In message , at 14:49:51
on Fri, 1 Jul 2016, David Cantrell remarked:
It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

The reason that it's in Calais is that the people there want to be close
to the UK so as to make it easier to get to the UK.

In the hypothetical situation of the French just opening the gates and
letting them through, there would be no reason for them to want to stay
in Kent. And our government has a policy of dispersing migrants around
the country and not just requiring that they stay next to the port they
entered through.

It is therefore clear that any suggestion of "the jungle" being
replicated in Kent is, to be blunt, ********, unless it is populated by
British people desperate to flee to France.

If there were many thousands, I think they'd be detained in specific
locations. We have a precedent in Oakington (now closed).

Perhaps they wouldn't be in Kent, but there have been suggestions in the
past that ships might be used, and Kent is on the coast...
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Roland Perry

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:30:17 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 17:09:37 +0100
Martin Coffee wrote:

I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was
going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK?

The mayor of calais seems to spend her life complaining about the UK. Perhaps
she should complain to her own government to do their damn job and process
these people instead of allowing mass vagrancy.

The Mayor of Calais has a valid argument that the Touquet agreement has
imposed a disproportional burden on her town as a result of France's
inability to intercept illegal migrants before they get there. It is not
difficult to have sympathy with her position.

However, the value to France as a whole of the agreement, and the fact that
Calais is just one of many Channel port towns implementing it, means that
it's unlikely to be unilaterally rescinded by France.

It is, though, a convenient bogeyman with which to threaten the UK,
particularly by French politicians who want to deflect attention from the
fact that the underlying problem is France's own inability to handle
illegal migrants.

Mark
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

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Spud

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:47:16 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:00:27 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…

I assume the pair of you can use google?

No, they're assuming that you can't.

Mark
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:42:29 +0100
Mark Goodge wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:47:16 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:00:27 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…

I assume the pair of you can use google?

No, they're assuming that you can't.

Are they? Well, takes all kinds of stupid I suppose. If you and them take
a break from mouth breathing and licking windows at some point you could
always click on this.

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=il...rted+article+8

You know what "click" means, I assume?

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Spud

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

Even you must know it doesn't work that way.

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:58:57 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

Even you must know it doesn't work that way.

Not straight away, it takes years. But it happens eventually.

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Spud

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather than
continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to refugees
than the UK. I find it hard enough.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 01/07/2016 14:39, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 11:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
He read it in the Sun…

"Read"?


Well the Sun claims to have a reading age of 8.


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Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:04:46 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather than
continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to refugees
than the UK. I find it hard enough.

Its hard to convey quite how sick I am of hearing these moral equivalence
stories based on what someones ancestors might have thought or felt. Its 2016,
not 1939 and I somehow doubt your parents were economic refugees.

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Spud