On 2016-07-14, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-07-14 08:26:59 +0000, d said:

The german stores, particularly Lidl remind me of UK supermarkets in the
1970s. Slightly shabby and with vacuum packed produce that looks about as
natural as an essex blonde.

And small enough that you can get round in 20 minutes.

Though FWIW I've given up supermarket shopping - delivery is a
wonderful thing. Which is kind-of going full circle back to the time
before there even *were* supermarkets.

well that reminds me that in the late 50's I did a grocers round on
what was then a brand new trade bike, fantastic, much better paid
than a paper round and tips galore, I was better off then than when
I left school a few years later...

Neil


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Martin

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:18:25 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

No more are to be ordered, but I think the last order, placed this January,
is still being built. At least the last batch have cleaner Euro 6 engines.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-of-boris-bus

They've had euro6 engines since LT 273 was delivered. In the first
272 buses there were also six trial euro6 equipped LTs.

The extra batch of 195 may or may not be in build. We are at the point
of annual factory holidays and the buses up to LT805 have arrived. I
understand Wrights will be decommissioning one of the two production
lines so the rate of deliveries will slow somewhat - 141 due up to
March 2016 and the balance of 54 in financial year 2017/18 (starts
April 2017).

March 2016 or 2017? The latter I assume.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:43:09 +0100
Guy Gorton wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even
considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric
part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to
me it would be a perfect solution for central london.

I have been to Boston but not recently. Is it still, like most places
in the USA,, cluttered with overhead wiring?

Don't know, I haven't been there since the 90s. I just read about their hybrid
trolleybus system. Seemed like a good solution to the problems of pollution
in central london to me.

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Spud

In message , at 14:40:50 on Thu, 14 Jul
2016, Roland Perry remarked:
In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the
Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist
corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of
German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce.

I'm not sure which category you think cooked meat (including sausages) comes
in.

Plastic packaged fresh produce. I think Tesco might have tinned
'hot-dog' type sausages. But nothing else that would qualify as
"produce" (fresh or otherwise).

I had a look yesterday, and they don't have tinned sausages. The closest
to fresh produce is tinfoil foil packed sliced ham (a very small package
presumably for making one sandwich), what looks a lot like a Polish
version of Spam, and several types of tinned fish.
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Roland Perry

It is a good solution - or, at least, partial solution - but it's
different, original and not part of the stultifying orthodoxy
London politicians adhere to. Don't expect people like Khan
and Shawcross to embrace any idea that does not involve
blaming everything on the motorist.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:50:01 +0200
Robin9 wrote:
;156820 Wrote:
Don't know, I haven't been there since the 90s. I just read about their
hybrid
trolleybus system. Seemed like a good solution to the problems of
pollution
in central london to me.

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Spud

It is a good solution - or, at least, partial solution - but it's
different, original and not part of the stultifying orthodoxy
London politicians adhere to. Don't expect people like Khan
and Shawcross to embrace any idea that does not involve
blaming everything on the motorist.

Yes, it seems car drivers seem to be the cause of all traffic ills in London
when if you look at the average central london traffic jam it usually consists
of buses, taxis & minicabs. Which is probably why Kahn wants to extend the
congestion charge to the north circular (hopefully exclusive, not inclusive).
I have no problem restricting cars in the central area, but taking it that
far out is just taking the **** and simply a cynical money raising scheme.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:50:01 +0200
Robin9 wrote:
d;156820 Wrote:
Don't know, I haven't been there since the 90s. I just read about their
hybrid
trolleybus system. Seemed like a good solution to the problems of
pollution
in central london to me.

--
Spud

It is a good solution - or, at least, partial solution - but it's
different, original and not part of the stultifying orthodoxy
London politicians adhere to. Don't expect people like Khan
and Shawcross to embrace any idea that does not involve
blaming everything on the motorist.

Yes, it seems car drivers seem to be the cause of all traffic ills in London
when if you look at the average central london traffic jam it usually consists
of buses, taxis & minicabs. Which is probably why Kahn wants to extend the
congestion charge to the north circular (hopefully exclusive, not inclusive).
I have no problem restricting cars in the central area, but taking it that
far out is just taking the **** and simply a cynical money raising scheme.

I thought Khan only wanted to extend the clean air zone to the north and
south circulars, not the cc zone:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...zone-pollution

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:14:57 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Yes, it seems car drivers seem to be the cause of all traffic ills in London
when if you look at the average central london traffic jam it usually
consists
of buses, taxis & minicabs. Which is probably why Kahn wants to extend the
congestion charge to the north circular (hopefully exclusive, not inclusive).
I have no problem restricting cars in the central area, but taking it that
far out is just taking the **** and simply a cynical money raising scheme.

I thought Khan only wanted to extend the clean air zone to the north and
south circulars, not the cc zone:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-double-size-l
ndons-clean-air-zone-pollution

Thats even worse since anyone who lives inside the north circ and has a car
older than 10 years (I think) won't be able to drive it!

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Spud

In message , at 17:01:36 on Sat, 16 Jul
2016, d remarked:

I thought Khan only wanted to extend the clean air zone to the north and
south circulars, not the cc zone:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-double-size-l
ndons-clean-air-zone-pollution

Thats even worse since anyone who lives inside the north circ and has a car
older than 10 years (I think) won't be able to drive it!

It's a fee for any diesel that doesn't meet the emission standards
introduced ten years ago. Older ones might, if the manufacturers fitted
a compliant engine earlier than absolutely necessary.
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Roland Perry

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:56:07 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:01:36 on Sat, 16 Jul
2016, d remarked:

I thought Khan only wanted to extend the clean air zone to the north and
south circulars, not the cc zone:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...to-double-size
l
ndons-clean-air-zone-pollution

Thats even worse since anyone who lives inside the north circ and has a car
older than 10 years (I think) won't be able to drive it!

It's a fee for any diesel that doesn't meet the emission standards
introduced ten years ago. Older ones might, if the manufacturers fitted
a compliant engine earlier than absolutely necessary.

There are a lot of cars owned by people living in inner london that are more
than 10 years old, usually because they can't afford a newer one. So all Kahns
policy will achieve is to push the lesser well off off the roads if they can't
afford his tax. Sorry, fee.

I imagine if it is introduced the fines will simply be ignored and the courts
will end up with a backlog of so many cases they'll simply dump the lot and ask
him to rethink.

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Spud