On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:18:45 +0100
Clive Page wrote:

it took me the best part of half-an-hour,

damn, stop the world, a whole half hour
to plan a trip...Pathetic

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:35:36 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:18:45 +0100
Clive Page wrote:

it took me the best part of half-an-hour,

damn, stop the world, a whole half hour
to plan a trip...Pathetic


And why should anyone want to plan an awful journey?

On 17/07/2016 12:35, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:18:45 +0100
Clive Page wrote:

it took me the best part of half-an-hour,

damn, stop the world, a whole half hour
to plan a trip...Pathetic


What justice do you offer, apart from utter inanity?

Clive Page wrote:

On 16/07/2016 16:26, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:49:30 +0100
Clive Page wrote:

So for this rather simple cross-London journey both main journey
planners failed badly

Why would anyone need a machine to plan their trip?

You must be pretty stupid if you can not plan
your own route.

Thank you for those kind and perceptive comments.

As I explained, there are (at least) three routes with similar
timings, and it required detailed study of timetables for Thameslink,
EMT, and SE trains, plus getting estimates of times on Northern,
Jubilee, and Circle/District lines, as well as checking for the
effects of weekend engineering works, to work out the best route for
any given departure time. This is the sort of job that ought to be
ideally suited to computers. We have had on-line journey planners
for at least 15 years now, but it seems to me that they are still
stuck in the 20th Century, and have hardly advanced in all that time.

I think you are being somewhat harsh on the TfL Planner, it gave you a
perfectly reasonable route. Exactly which option is quickest will
largely depend on how much time you allow for the interchanges.

It is very likely all three options would have ended up on the same
train out of London Bridge.

Peter Smyth

Clive Page wrote:

Someone I know wants to go tomorrow (Sunday) from Luton Airport Parkway
station to Deptford. Trains to Deptford go from Cannon Street calling
at London Bridge. So this is a pretty simple journey, really, and there
seem to be three reasonable routes:

(1) LTN to West Hampstead, then Jubilee line to London Bridge.

(2) LTN to St. Pancras, then Northern Line to London Bridge.

(3) LTN to Blackfriars, then Circle/District line to Cannon Street.

Without checking lots of timetables I was not sure which would be
fastest, so I thought I would try the two main online journey planners.



I appreciate that journey planning is a complex job, but it seems to me
that the current examples do a rather poor job even in fairly simple
cases. Does anyone know of any better journey planners out there?

Travellink South East gives only one journet with fast walk and that is
your number one route taking 75-6 minutes

Average walk makes these 87-9 miunutes but adds some longer ones
Thaneslink to Elephant and Castel then bus to New Cross then 10 mins
walk - taking 106 mins
and a 99 min journey LTN-StaPancras-KX-Northerm to Bank- DLR to
Cutty Sark- Bus to Deptford

A slow walk gives 1 as 93-102 mins but adds 3 (change at Farringdon not
Blackfriars ie the oyjer way round the circle ) as 94 mins

So depends on how fast you walk and there are more rouyes than you
yjought of and only 1 actually competes.

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Mark