On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL, while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used for seasons and carnets.

In message , at
03:16:18 on Wed, 31 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a
TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL,
while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for
Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

How would the West Midlands operator process anything north of Watford
Junction - or does TfL have to first extend Oyster (accompanied by
contactless) to Northampton and beyond?

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and
the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a
type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used
for seasons and carnets.

--
Roland Perry

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:29:04 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
03:16:18 on Wed, 31 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a
TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL,
while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for
Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

How would the West Midlands operator process anything north of Watford
Junction - or does TfL have to first extend Oyster (accompanied by
contactless) to Northampton and beyond?

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and
the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a
type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used
for seasons and carnets.

--
Roland Perry

TfL would have to expand Contactless (rather than the present Oyster setup).
I can foresee classic (the present non-back office) Oyster cards not being useable north of Watford Junction.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
Matthew Dickinson wrote:
I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and the

Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a PIN and
that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value convenience over
everything else.

--
Spud

d writes:

Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a PIN and
that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value convenience over
everything else.

A pre-paid contactless card which can only be used for travelling (on
bus, train or tram) would be acceptable. But wait, is that not what
Oyster and ITSO already are?

In message , at 12:02:29 on Wed, 31 Aug
2016, Graham Murray remarked:
Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a PIN and
that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value convenience over
everything else.

A pre-paid contactless card which can only be used for travelling (on
bus, train or tram) would be acceptable. But wait, is that not what
Oyster and ITSO already are?

Not really, because Oyster only works in the London area, and ITSO cards
only work on one TOC (they could be set up to work on multiple, but I
see absolutely no indication they will, especially as TOCs are dragging
their feet even getting them implemented 'internally').
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 12:02:29 on Wed, 31
Aug 2016, Graham Murray remarked:
Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a
PIN and that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value
convenience over everything else.

A pre-paid contactless card which can only be used for travelling (on
bus, train or tram) would be acceptable. But wait, is that not what
Oyster and ITSO already are?

Not really, because Oyster only works in the London area, and ITSO
cards only work on one TOC (they could be set up to work on multiple,
but I see absolutely no indication they will, especially as TOCs are
dragging their feet even getting them implemented 'internally').

Thereby maximising chaos at Cambridge with two TOCs handling the great
majority of passengers.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Graham Murray wrote:

d writes:

Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a
PIN and that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value
convenience over everything else.

A pre-paid contactless card which can only be used for travelling (on bus,
train or tram) would be acceptable. But wait, is that not what Oyster and
ITSO already are?

No as the reason to want a PIN is so that I explicity confirm a
transaction. (Although Apple Pay over contactless works for me)


--
Mark