Mentioned in the West Midlands ITT is this suggestion:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...55/wmf-itt.pdf

"A description of how the Franchisee will utilise smart ticketing
technologies to provide customers with a flexible and convenient
solution when travelling into and around London from stations
between London Euston and Northampton and Watford Junction
and St Albans Abbey, and also for customers making
intermediate journeys on these routes. Bidders may consider,
for example, TfL ticketing technologies (e.g. Oyster/Contactless)
or a Franchisee ticketing technology that integrates with the TfL
ticketing area."

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:16:19 -0700 (PDT), Matthew Dickinson
wrote:


Mentioned in the West Midlands ITT is this suggestion:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...55/wmf-itt.pdf

"A description of how the Franchisee will utilise smart ticketing
technologies to provide customers with a flexible and convenient
solution when travelling into and around London from stations
between London Euston and Northampton and Watford Junction
and St Albans Abbey, and also for customers making
intermediate journeys on these routes. Bidders may consider,
for example, TfL ticketing technologies (e.g. Oyster/Contactless)
or a Franchisee ticketing technology that integrates with the TfL
ticketing area."

Well, Oyster technology, not actual Oyster cards.

In message , at 13:34:51 on
Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Recliner remarked:

Bidders may consider, for example, TfL ticketing technologies (e.g.
Oyster/Contactless) or a Franchisee ticketing technology that
integrates with the TfL ticketing area."

Well, Oyster technology, not actual Oyster cards.

I presume they mean Travelcards loaded onto ITSO which can then be
arranged to be accepted by TfL gates.

Nothing really clever like PAYG interoperability.
--
Roland Perry

No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic are now offering.

In article ,
(Matthew Dickinson) wrote:

No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that
TfL/Cubic are now offering.

Like at Gatwick?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL, while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used for seasons and carnets.

In message , at
03:16:18 on Wed, 31 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a
TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL,
while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for
Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

How would the West Midlands operator process anything north of Watford
Junction - or does TfL have to first extend Oyster (accompanied by
contactless) to Northampton and beyond?

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and
the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a
type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used
for seasons and carnets.

--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
Matthew Dickinson wrote:
I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and the

Some of us don't want contactless cards. There was a good reason for a PIN and
that reason hasn't gone away just because some people value convenience over
everything else.

--
Spud

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:29:04 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
03:16:18 on Wed, 31 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:20:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:07:09 on Tue, 30 Aug 2016, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
No.. They mention ITSO elsewhere. It seems to be an hint from DfT to
use the "white label " Oyster / Contactless back office that TfL/Cubic
are now offering.

That sounds interesting, will it allow true PAYG over the whole of the
National Rail franchise including to anywhere within the TfL's ambit. eg
Contactless from Northampton to Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

I think any Contactless acceptance in the South East will have to use a
TfL back office.

At Gatwick, for example, Oyster and Contactless are processed by TfL,
while The Key is processed by Southern. There would be no way for
Southern to process Contactless (for example) for journeys to Brighton.

How would the West Midlands operator process anything north of Watford
Junction - or does TfL have to first extend Oyster (accompanied by
contactless) to Northampton and beyond?

I see the future for ticketing in the South East being Contactless (and
the new back Office Oyster, which in terms of processing will just be a
type of Contactless card) for PAYG journeys, with ITSO cards being used
for seasons and carnets.

--
Roland Perry

TfL would have to expand Contactless (rather than the present Oyster setup).
I can foresee classic (the present non-back office) Oyster cards not being useable north of Watford Junction.