On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

On 23/09/2016 18:08, Mizter T wrote:

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 23/09/2016 18:24, Graeme Wall wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

Quite! It's toxic, stay well away!

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:26:07 +0100, Mizter T
wrote:


On 23/09/2016 18:24, Graeme Wall wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

ISTR something about MK-West Croydon being in the firing line for a
TfL takeover. The anomolous bit for that would be WFJ-MK. OTOH some SN
short services from Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction have already
effectively been taken over by LO during the dispute :-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced
appearing to be the partial substitute for :-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

Quite! It's toxic, stay well away!

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?

It was political pestering

I'd give you a million to one that the mayor's idea of "sorting it out" is
giving into union demand immediately - he is a socialist (fsvo) after all.

tim

tim... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?

It was political pestering

I'd give you a million to one that the mayor's idea of "sorting it out" is
giving into union demand immediately - he is a socialist (fsvo) after all.

Yes, the mayor did generously offer to sort out GTR for the DfT, but I
think his 'solution' would be just as you say.

However, it has to be said that TfL did get rid of the guards on all LO
routes, and is currently eliminating the 300 platform attendants from Boris
buses, in both cases without strikes.

http://www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk/...s_bulletin.pdf

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...and-old-guard/

http://www.railwaystrategies.co.uk/a...71&issueid=530

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I thought it was telling that a Labour mayor is getting rid of 300 jobs on
the buses with no industrial protests, while the unions are indulging in
incessant strikes and sickies on Southern that simply wants to change the
role of train guards, with no loss of jobs or conditions.

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 19:50:29 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:

while the unions are indulging in incessant strikes and sickies on
Southern that

Southern just want their pay cheque. The policy (and the hit on the
fares basket) are down to the DfT.

simply wants to change the role of train guards, with no loss of jobs
or conditions.

--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 19:50:29 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:

while the unions are indulging in incessant strikes and sickies on
Southern that

Southern just want their pay cheque. The policy (and the hit on the
fares basket) are down to the DfT.

simply wants to change the role of train guards, with no loss of jobs
or conditions.

Southern are doing what the DfT tell them. Wait till the new SWT franchise
for the same there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 19:50:29 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:

while the unions are indulging in incessant strikes and sickies on
Southern that

Southern just want their pay cheque. The policy (and the hit on the
fares basket) are down to the DfT.

simply wants to change the role of train guards, with no loss of jobs
or conditions.

Southern are doing what the DfT tell them. Wait till the new SWT franchise
for the same there.

The DfT will certainly want DCO on SWT, but it's harder to force on a TOC
that's financially vulnerable to strikes. That's why it's playing hardball
with SN, as the DfT takes the revenue risk, and can permit GTR to run a
reduced service without penalty.

I'm wondering how many SN guards have already been moved across to the new
OBS role. Presumably if they strike, the trains can keep running?

Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?

It was political pestering

I'd give you a million to one that the mayor's idea of "sorting it out" is
giving into union demand immediately - he is a socialist (fsvo) after all.

Yes, the mayor did generously offer to sort out GTR for the DfT, but I
think his 'solution' would be just as you say.

However, it has to be said that TfL did get rid of the guards on all LO
routes, and is currently eliminating the 300 platform attendants from Boris
buses, in both cases without strikes.


The LO DOO was, IIRC, agreed many many years ago (possibly even BR days)
but not implemented until recently - presumably because the unions had
agreed it they couldn't protest.


Anna Noyd-Dryver