On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

On 28.09.16 14:35, Mizter T wrote:

On 28/09/2016 13:06, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Yes, agreed. They look better with the new, clean upholstery; the old
stuff was filthy and stained, making one reluctant to sit on those
comfortable benches.


I was in one with totally grubby looking moquettes on the seats the
other day. Not a good look.

Hopefully the new trains will be designed with the twisty-turny Bakerloo
line route in mind, so a bit less wheel squeal in places. I suspect it's
never going to be the smoothest riding line.

Have you ever been to the outer loop track on the New York City Subway's
South Ferry station? That is well and truly loud.

Trains rounding the curve into Fulton Street on the Lexington Avenue
Line are also not known for being quiet.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Yes, but that's not the reason. The plan is to resignal the Picc for a
more intensive service, which needs the new trains. The Bakerloo line
is relatively quiet (at least till it gets extended), and might even
get quieter when the Met gets to Watford Junction.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:07:03 +0100
Recliner wrote:
The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

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Spud

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100
" wrote:
I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Given the hammering they must take both internally and on the running gear with
the large passenger numbers on the long runs out to Heathrow & Uxbridge, the
73 stock are in quite good nick IMHO.

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Spud

On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 03:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
e27002 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 11:21:53 AM UTC+1,
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72
stock is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is
certainly earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the
way? IIRC there is going to be a block order for a number of lines.

AFIK Boltar, the existing trains are undergoing heavy refurbishment for
life extension. IMHO they are OK. The seats are comfortable, and the
doors open very promptly at stations.

One wonders how far their life can be further extended short of a rebuild
given they're already 45 years old. Finding parts must be a problem too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have to be made bespoke.

They will be simple though. No electronics in 1972.

Yes, the seats are comfy. Not sure why modern train builders seem to think
its acceptable for people to sit on covered granite.

Last I read the refurbishment programme was going a bit slowly as they have
been finding more corrosion than they bargained for. The Bakerloo isn't
first in the queue for NTfL trains either.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:08:05 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:07:03 +0100
Recliner wrote:
The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

They'll have trouble beating the IoW. Several other LU fleets have got
to 50 years, including the 1938 and A stocks. I think the Paris Metro
still has MF67 trains built in the early 1970s.

The Pyongyang Metro uses ex-West Berlin U-Bahn stock dating from
around 1960. It looked clean and in good nick when I travelled on it
in 2013:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57633424928749

However, the two (known) lines are entirely underground, and the train
speeds seemed quite low.

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public
service in europe, or maybe even the world record?

The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.

If you don't count 38TS in the Isle of Wight.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100
" wrote:
I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Given the hammering they must take both internally and on the running gear with
the large passenger numbers on the long runs out to Heathrow & Uxbridge, the
73 stock are in quite good nick IMHO.

Last I heard, they were the most reliable LU trains.