On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:29:24 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 15:02, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Yes, but that's not the reason. The plan is to resignal the Picc for a
more intensive service, which needs the new trains.

I thought that they were also planning to convert the line to crewless,
similar to what they have done on the Paris Metro's Line 1 and what they
were planning to do on Line 4.

That's a long-term aspiration, which is unlikely to be achieved when
the NTfL first enters service. They would need to install PEDs in the
underground stations, and some sort of obstacle detectors in the open
air stations.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:45:56 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:52:59 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:25:56 +0100
Recliner wrote:
The Pyongyang Metro uses ex-West Berlin U-Bahn stock dating from
around 1960. It looked clean and in good nick when I travelled on it
in 2013:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57633424928749

I'm impressed you got away with taking those pictures without getting hauled
off for interrogation. Very ornate stations tho I don't think it'll ever be
on my to-visit list frankly.

Yes, those three stations are very ornate; others we passed through were
more utilitarian, like most things in North Korea. With a couple of
exceptions, photography wasn't restricted in the areas tourists can visit.
The bits they really don't want you to photograph aren't open to visit at
all.

Just out of interest, whats this?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...7633470265514/

Looks like some sort of cremation memorial but it got loads of different
languages. Is this where old western stalinists come to be cremated these
days?

I've uploaded another image, showing the support plaque from the
English Juche Study Group at the top:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/29968506306/in/album-72157633470265514/lightbox/

I've googled this august body, which appears to be defunct, but has
been reborn as the Juche Idea Study Group of England. It has a
surprisingly active Facebook page, with comments like, "DPRK's Nuclear
Deterrent Crucial For World Peace":
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Juche...47091862011144

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:21:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
leftwing nutjobs, like our friend Hils). I took this picture of the tower
from across the river, from the balcony that the regime's leaders use to
inspect the grand parades through Kim Il-sung Squa

https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/8729042313/in/album-72157633470265514/

Whatever people may think of the Kim regime, you can't fault them on their
brutal triumphalist architecture. Straight out of the Dummies Guide to being a
Successful Dictator.

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Spud

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:33:35 +0100
Recliner wrote:
I've googled this august body, which appears to be defunct, but has
been reborn as the Juche Idea Study Group of England. It has a

Probably in reality just some sad sack who lives with his mother and box of
green biros.

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Spud

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:33:35 +0100
Recliner wrote:
I've googled this august body, which appears to be defunct, but has
been reborn as the Juche Idea Study Group of England. It has a

Probably in reality just some sad sack who lives with his mother and box of
green biros.

This enlightened chap seems to be the leading light:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/an-in...s-uk-spokesman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUQiDytovM

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:08:44 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:33:35 +0100
Recliner wrote:
I've googled this august body, which appears to be defunct, but has
been reborn as the Juche Idea Study Group of England. It has a

Probably in reality just some sad sack who lives with his mother and box of
green biros.

This enlightened chap seems to be the leading light:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/an-in...s-uk-spokesman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUQiDytovM

He comes across like a lot of hard left couch potatoes - its politics as a
intellectual exercise or hobby. He likes the idea of a stalinist state and
everything that goes with it - as long as he doesn't actually have to live
in it.

--
Spud

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 04:39:26PM +0100, wrote:
On 28.09.16 15:20, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:
Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public
service in europe, or maybe even the world record?
The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.
I know that Buenos Aires had that honour until a few years ago, when
they finally decommissioned their Belgian rolling stock, though I don't
know who has that honour at this time.

How about the Manx Electric Railway and the Blackpool trams?

--
David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic

What plaything can you offer me today?

David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 04:39:26PM +0100, wrote:
On 28.09.16 15:20, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:
Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public
service in europe, or maybe even the world record?
The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.
I know that Buenos Aires had that honour until a few years ago, when
they finally decommissioned their Belgian rolling stock, though I don't
know who has that honour at this time.

How about the Manx Electric Railway and the Blackpool trams?

If you're going to include trams, there's plenty of ancient trams in
regular service around the world, particularly central Europe. Simple trams
seem to last longer than metro trains.

On 29.09.16 12:06, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:29:24 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 15:02, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Yes, but that's not the reason. The plan is to resignal the Picc for a
more intensive service, which needs the new trains.

I thought that they were also planning to convert the line to crewless,
similar to what they have done on the Paris Metro's Line 1 and what they
were planning to do on Line 4.

That's a long-term aspiration, which is unlikely to be achieved when
the NTfL first enters service. They would need to install PEDs in the
underground stations, and some sort of obstacle detectors in the open
air stations.

I thought that this was all a part of the plan.

On 29.09.16 15:40, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 04:39:26PM +0100, wrote:
On 28.09.16 15:20, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:
Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public
service in europe, or maybe even the world record?
The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.
I know that Buenos Aires had that honour until a few years ago, when
they finally decommissioned their Belgian rolling stock, though I don't
know who has that honour at this time.

How about the Manx Electric Railway and the Blackpool trams?

I was thinking more along the lines of metros/undergrounds.