On 09/11/2016 19:40, ColinR wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:03, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:40, Graham Murray wrote:
Graeme Wall writes:

On 09/11/2016 14:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:16:41 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
Graeme Wall remarked:

Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?

Where have we got factories here?

There are at least two Sugar Beet factories (so called) in the Fens,
and
just round the corner from me is an agricultural equipment factory
(ironically, perhaps, mainly "automatic" crop-picking/harvesting
machines to tow behind tractors).

I was being slightly sarcastic, we used to have three major factories
here in Southampton, all now gone, Vosper-Thorneycroft, Ford and BAT.

Do not forget Pirelli, or was that not major?


They'd gone by the time I moved here, they lingered at Eastleigh for
quite a long time. IKEA now occupies part of their site.


I did a summer's job experience at Pirelli - many many years ago!


Used to get cable-layers in the docks, presumably loading up with fresh
cable.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:58:27 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:38:53 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016,
tim... remarked:

Oh well, look on the bright side, if we do get a Hard Brexit I'm well
versed working with the unelected bureaucrats in Westminster, and
without the calming influence of their colleagues in Brussels I'll get
lots of work opportunities.

wont you have retired by the time it makes any difference

Arguably the work has already begun. There's the whole Brexit process
itself, and God willing I'd expect to be working until at least 2023.

Unless by then HMG has killed off the Human Rights Act etc. and
restored employers' ability to set an arbitrary age for compulsory
retirement.

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:39:42 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:


"Mark Bestley" wrote in message
. ..
Graeme Wall wrote:

On 09/11/2016 13:49, Mark Bestley wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:41:26 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
tim... remarked:
Loads of low paid workers coming in from the East forcing down wages
for
the indigenous population (and allowing companies to disband their
staff
training schemes which would otherwise help increase the averages
skill
set of the population)

What trainable skills do you need to pick vegetables in the fields?

How to wrap up warm, perhaps.

I was think more along the lines of people who worked in factories


Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?


Where have we got factories here?

Well tyhat was the next question for tim

10% of our economy is still in manufacturing

Of which how much is dependent upon foreign-owned companies having
free access (in both directions) to the EU ?

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:40:05 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 09/11/2016 18:38, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 09/11/2016 17:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:23, Hils wrote:
On 09/11/16 16:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:24, Hils wrote:


Aneurin Bevan's counterpart as health minister was Che Guevara. (Not a
lot of people know that...)

Well I suppose he was a chemist, in the scientific rather than
pharmaceutical sense.

Sources agree that he was a fully-qualified physician.

Have you not seen/read The Motorcycle Diaries?

I have seen but not read. He started life as an industrial chemist

So clearly the answer is for Britain to have a political leader with a
background as an industrial chemist.


Look how well that worked!

/AOL :-(

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:05:10 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 14:23:43 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, Hils remarked:

Today, the British have nowhere near enough medics. The Cubans have a
large surplus. Either this is the result of the policies outlined, or
the British middle and working classes are significantly less educable
than Cuban peasants, while the British ruling caste is more interested
in going into banking or politics than into medicine.

It's probably because the ones in Cuba are paid minimum wage

Something still not universally applied to workers in the UK ?
(and you can interpret that in two ways)

(and
there's very little scope for "politics" of course, and very little
banking due to the sanctions).

On 09/11/2016 19:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 19:40, ColinR wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:03, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:40, Graham Murray wrote:
Graeme Wall writes:

On 09/11/2016 14:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:16:41 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
Graeme Wall remarked:

Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?

Where have we got factories here?

There are at least two Sugar Beet factories (so called) in the Fens,
and
just round the corner from me is an agricultural equipment factory
(ironically, perhaps, mainly "automatic" crop-picking/harvesting
machines to tow behind tractors).

I was being slightly sarcastic, we used to have three major factories
here in Southampton, all now gone, Vosper-Thorneycroft, Ford and BAT.

Do not forget Pirelli, or was that not major?


They'd gone by the time I moved here, they lingered at Eastleigh for
quite a long time. IKEA now occupies part of their site.


I did a summer's job experience at Pirelli - many many years ago!


Used to get cable-layers in the docks, presumably loading up with fresh
cable.



Worked on them as well, but the BT vessels were primarily engaged in
repairs, not laying, only one of the vessels was designed as a layer.

Colin

"Phi" wrote in message
...

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 09/11/2016 17:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:23, Hils wrote:
On 09/11/16 16:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:24, Hils wrote:


Aneurin Bevan's counterpart as health minister was Che Guevara. (Not
a
lot of people know that...)

Well I suppose he was a chemist, in the scientific rather than
pharmaceutical sense.

Sources agree that he was a fully-qualified physician.

Have you not seen/read The Motorcycle Diaries?

I have seen but not read. He started life as an industrial chemist

So clearly the answer is for Britain to have a political leader with a
background as an industrial chemist.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

I don't think she was a good politician.

To have got where she got, given where she started from (by which I mean her
position in the party, not her upbringing)

She must have been a bloody good one

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:37:54 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016,
tim... remarked:
Yes, I know that we can enforce a set of minimum conditions, but
experience is that it is hard for TPTB to enforce them. IMHO it's oh so
much easier to make sure that conditions improve by taking away the supply
of workers willing to work like slaves.

Unless, of course, freeing ourselves from Brussels Red Tape allows us to
have even worse minimum conditions.

which I believe that it wont

come back in 10 years to prove me wrong

tim

In message , at 19:52:48 on
Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Charles Ellson remarked:

wont you have retired by the time it makes any difference

Arguably the work has already begun. There's the whole Brexit process
itself, and God willing I'd expect to be working until at least 2023.

Unless by then HMG has killed off the Human Rights Act etc. and
restored employers' ability to set an arbitrary age for compulsory
retirement.

I'm in effect self employed.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 20:10:32 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016,
tim... remarked:

Yes, I know that we can enforce a set of minimum conditions, but
experience is that it is hard for TPTB to enforce them. IMHO it's oh
so much easier to make sure that conditions improve by taking away
the supply of workers willing to work like slaves.

Unless, of course, freeing ourselves from Brussels Red Tape allows us
to have even worse minimum conditions.

which I believe that it wont

come back in 10 years to prove me wrong

Yawn.
--
Roland Perry