In message , at 15:44:42 on Thu, 10
Nov 2016, Robin9 remarked:
As millions of people voted to leave, obviously there were
some who were motivated primarily by a wish to rid our
country of foreigners. "Remainers" pretend that most "leavers"
fall into this category without any evidence to that effect.

There's plenty of evidence from polls, indicating a third of leavers
making it their "primary reason" for voting 'leave'. A whole load more
would have had it as a secondary reason.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 16:32:00
on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Paul Cummins
remarked:
According to my local council, as long as you are legally in the
country and have lived in the
district for 6 months, then you are eligible to bid for a property
when one comes up suitable for
your family's needs. The applicant with the most housing points
gets the property.

So you can't get housed faster - you need to wait at least six months,
already live in the district and be able to bid ...

If your need is greater at the six month milestone than a local, you'll
get housed after six months, and the local sometime never, having waited
years. That's faster.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Paul Cummins)
wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

So you can't get housed faster - you need to wait at least six
months,
already live in the district and be able to bid ...

If your need is greater at the six month milestone than a local,
you'll get housed after six months, and the local sometime never,
having waited years. That's faster.

But surely your need is greater at the zero-day milestone, since you have
no housing at that stage. And. apparently can't get any, even though
locals at the zero-day stage can.

What I have been told happens is this. A dwelling is let to migrants who pay the rent regularly.
The tenants allow others to move in so the are overcrowded. The local authority is then obliged to
put them on the housing list. Because they are overcrowded they have more points so are rehoused
ahead of people with fewer points.

In message , at
18:38:21 on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

One of the problems with the stats is counting foreign students (whose
fees many Universities depend on) as immigrants.

It doesn't help the debate that according to the Guardian these
students are all doing PhDs in rocket science and cancer-curing at
Imperial, while according to the Mail they are all doing diplomas in
general studies at the Outer Croydon Institute of Visa Applications.

Presumably the truth is in the middle.

The truth is that (generalising) the ones studying at the former are
doing it in good faith, and the ones at the latter in bad faith.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 17:37:00
on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Paul Cummins
remarked:
If your need is greater at the six month milestone than a local,
you'll get housed after six months, and the local sometime never,
having waited years. That's faster.

But surely your need is greater at the zero-day milestone, since you have
no housing at that stage. And. apparently can't get any, even though
locals at the zero-day stage can.

The need at zero-day is not enough to get housed even then. It's really
difficult to get enough points ever.

The issue here is immigrants who for whatever reason arrive out of the
blue and do have enough points, jumping the queue.
--
Roland Perry

On 10/11/2016 11:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:38:40 on
Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Optimist remarked:


We had a thriving fishing industry which the EU ruined
(compare it to Norway & Iceland which sensibly kept out),

They limited our fishing to avoid extinction in the North Sea.


Rubbish. If that was the c ase then the unrestricted fishing by Norway
and Iceland would have obliterated stocks. As it is they are increasing
fast.

Not only that, but our fishermen were restricted, but the Spaniards had
free reign.

The EU ruined our fishing industry and Brexit is a way to restore it.

Colin

On 09/11/2016 21:53, wrote:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:06:23 +0000, ColinR
wrote:


Do not forget Pirelli, or was that not major?


They'd gone by the time I moved here, they lingered at Eastleigh for
quite a long time. IKEA now occupies part of their site.


I did a summer's job experience at Pirelli - many many years ago!


Used to get cable-layers in the docks, presumably loading up with fresh
cable.



Worked on them as well, but the BT vessels were primarily engaged in
repairs, not laying, only one of the vessels was designed as a layer.

Colin

Didn't other companies ships sometimes call? fairly sure the Long
Lines dropped in at one time.

They BT ships tended to use cables made from the other cable factory
STC , I can't remember if there was a gantry from the factory to the
loading berth (109?) or not. There was a gantry constructed
relatively late in the life of the Pirelli plant to berth 101 which
passed over West Quay road. So late in fact a bit of the planning
application is still on Sotons planning portal.
https://planningpublicaccess.southam...ZZ ZZCOZXT381
ISTR this was for one particular cable contract (fibre optic ?) after
which the gantry lay moribund long after the plant finally closed till
it got demolished to make way for later developments.

G.Harman


Not sure but my recollection is that you are correct about STC.

Colin

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

(1) Is that for EU Laws brought into force up to the day of exit, or
some other milestone. This isn't hypothetical, there's a huge Data
Protection shake-up due to be in force by May 2018. Which is just
after current predictions of Brexit. Assuming we do exit my April
2018, what will the Data Protection law in the UK be in June 2018,
given that if it's the old law we won't be a "safe harbour" and many
EU companies will be in difficulty working through UK datacentres.

The planned date for leaving is by April 2019.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:36:52 +0000, ColinR
wrote:

On 10/11/2016 11:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:38:40 on
Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Optimist remarked:


We had a thriving fishing industry which the EU ruined
(compare it to Norway & Iceland which sensibly kept out),

They limited our fishing to avoid extinction in the North Sea.


Rubbish. If that was the c ase then the unrestricted fishing by Norway
and Iceland would have obliterated stocks. As it is they are increasing
fast.

Not only that, but our fishermen were restricted, but the Spaniards had
free reign.

Spain didn't join the EU until 1986 and had no access to British
waters for the next 10 years. Fish stock were depleted long before
then.

The EU ruined our fishing industry and Brexit is a way to restore it.

Colin

On 10/11/2016 22:07, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:36:52 +0000, ColinR
wrote:

On 10/11/2016 11:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:38:40 on
Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Optimist remarked:


We had a thriving fishing industry which the EU ruined
(compare it to Norway & Iceland which sensibly kept out),

They limited our fishing to avoid extinction in the North Sea.


Rubbish. If that was the c ase then the unrestricted fishing by Norway
and Iceland would have obliterated stocks. As it is they are increasing
fast.

Not only that, but our fishermen were restricted, but the Spaniards had
free reign.

Spain didn't join the EU until 1986 and had no access to British
waters for the next 10 years. Fish stock were depleted long before
then.

The EU ruined our fishing industry and Brexit is a way to restore it.

Colin


http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1062537.ece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...ng-policy.html

http://www1.american.edu/TED/UKCOD.HTM