"Mark Bestley" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:41:26 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
tim... remarked:
Loads of low paid workers coming in from the East forcing down wages
for
the indigenous population (and allowing companies to disband their
staff
training schemes which would otherwise help increase the averages skill
set of the population)

What trainable skills do you need to pick vegetables in the fields?

How to wrap up warm, perhaps.

I was think more along the lines of people who worked in factories


Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?

I take it you didn't see the Select Committees' report of their impromptu
trip to whathisname Ashley's company

OK, it's a warehouse doing packing and picking, not manufacturing, but they
are the sorts of jobs I was referring to

The report said that they encountered 100% new foreigners who didn't speak
very much English and they attributed that *fact* to the reasons why it is
that Ashely can get away with virtual slave labour wages and conditions.

Yes, I know that we can enforce a set of minimum conditions, but experience
is that it is hard for TPTB to enforce them. IMHO it's oh so much easier to
make sure that conditions improve by taking away the supply of workers
willing to work like slaves.

tim

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 09/11/2016 12:57, tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:41:26 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, tim... remarked:
Loads of low paid workers coming in from the East forcing down wages
for the indigenous population (and allowing companies to disband
their staff training schemes which would otherwise help increase the
averages skill set of the population)

What trainable skills do you need to pick vegetables in the fields?

How to wrap up warm, perhaps.

I was think more along the lines of people who worked in factories

It used to be that people who worked on the shop floor today, could
aspire to becoming supervisors tomorrow

not any more


What's stopping them?

the fact that employers wont promote people upwards

tim

"Mark Bestley" wrote in message
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Graeme Wall wrote:

On 09/11/2016 13:49, Mark Bestley wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:41:26 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
tim... remarked:
Loads of low paid workers coming in from the East forcing down wages
for
the indigenous population (and allowing companies to disband their
staff
training schemes which would otherwise help increase the averages
skill
set of the population)

What trainable skills do you need to pick vegetables in the fields?

How to wrap up warm, perhaps.

I was think more along the lines of people who worked in factories


Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?


Where have we got factories here?

Well tyhat was the next question for tim

10% of our economy is still in manufacturing

tim

On 09/11/2016 17:38, tim... wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 09/11/2016 12:57, tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:41:26 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, tim... remarked:
Loads of low paid workers coming in from the East forcing down wages
for the indigenous population (and allowing companies to disband
their staff training schemes which would otherwise help increase the
averages skill set of the population)

What trainable skills do you need to pick vegetables in the fields?

How to wrap up warm, perhaps.

I was think more along the lines of people who worked in factories

It used to be that people who worked on the shop floor today, could
aspire to becoming supervisors tomorrow

not any more


What's stopping them?

the fact that employers wont promote people upwards


Won't they?


--
Graeme Wall
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On 09/11/2016 17:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:23, Hils wrote:
On 09/11/16 16:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:24, Hils wrote:


Aneurin Bevan's counterpart as health minister was Che Guevara. (Not a
lot of people know that...)

Well I suppose he was a chemist, in the scientific rather than
pharmaceutical sense.

Sources agree that he was a fully-qualified physician.

Have you not seen/read The Motorcycle Diaries?

I have seen but not read. He started life as an industrial chemist

So clearly the answer is for Britain to have a political leader with a
background as an industrial chemist.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 09/11/2016 18:38, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 09/11/2016 17:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:23, Hils wrote:
On 09/11/16 16:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:24, Hils wrote:


Aneurin Bevan's counterpart as health minister was Che Guevara. (Not a
lot of people know that...)

Well I suppose he was a chemist, in the scientific rather than
pharmaceutical sense.

Sources agree that he was a fully-qualified physician.

Have you not seen/read The Motorcycle Diaries?

I have seen but not read. He started life as an industrial chemist

So clearly the answer is for Britain to have a political leader with a
background as an industrial chemist.


Look how well that worked!

--
Graeme Wall
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"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 09/11/2016 17:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 16:23, Hils wrote:
On 09/11/16 16:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:24, Hils wrote:


Aneurin Bevan's counterpart as health minister was Che Guevara. (Not a
lot of people know that...)

Well I suppose he was a chemist, in the scientific rather than
pharmaceutical sense.

Sources agree that he was a fully-qualified physician.

Have you not seen/read The Motorcycle Diaries?

I have seen but not read. He started life as an industrial chemist

So clearly the answer is for Britain to have a political leader with a
background as an industrial chemist.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

I don't think she was a good politician.

In message , at 17:37:54 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016,
tim... remarked:
Yes, I know that we can enforce a set of minimum conditions, but
experience is that it is hard for TPTB to enforce them. IMHO it's oh
so much easier to make sure that conditions improve by taking away the
supply of workers willing to work like slaves.

Unless, of course, freeing ourselves from Brussels Red Tape allows us to
have even worse minimum conditions.
--
Roland Perry

On 09/11/2016 16:03, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/11/2016 15:40, Graham Murray wrote:
Graeme Wall writes:

On 09/11/2016 14:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:16:41 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016,
Graeme Wall remarked:

Where have we got immigrants working in factories here?

Where have we got factories here?

There are at least two Sugar Beet factories (so called) in the Fens,
and
just round the corner from me is an agricultural equipment factory
(ironically, perhaps, mainly "automatic" crop-picking/harvesting
machines to tow behind tractors).

I was being slightly sarcastic, we used to have three major factories
here in Southampton, all now gone, Vosper-Thorneycroft, Ford and BAT.

Do not forget Pirelli, or was that not major?


They'd gone by the time I moved here, they lingered at Eastleigh for
quite a long time. IKEA now occupies part of their site.


I did a summer's job experience at Pirelli - many many years ago!

Colin

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:42:30 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:


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On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:52:13 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



I see that you snipped the bit where I explained that that is not caused
by
the actual act of leaving but by the Remoaners not accepting the
situation,

The people who have not "accepted the situation" are the Brexiteers
who organised the Leave campaign based greatly on fear and loathing of
foreigners and who promptly buggered off and left others to clear up
the resultant mess when the vote actually went their way.

rather than their knuckling down and doing what is "best" for the UK under
the circumstances. (They will, no doubt, argue that they are, I will
argue
that they aren't - they are trying to fight a war that, I believe they
cannot win and making Britain worse off whilst they fight it.)

Using Language like" knuckling down" does appear to be an example of
the arrogance of many on the leave side.
One of their points for leaving was that they do not like too much
control yet from others but when it comes down to it what they really
mean is "we want to do the controlling" and " what is best for the UK
" means you will do what I want as I know better and am better than
you " which is a rather patronising or even conceited attitude.

what a load of old ********

tim