On 12.01.2017 4:28 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:33:34 on Thu, 12 Jan
2017, d remarked:

You would clearly be surprised how many naturalised foreigners there are
in the country.

If they are naturalised, are they foreigners?

No, and that's the point. People assume that everyone with a "foreign
accent" is a "foreigner".

Yes they are. If you weren't born here you're foreign accemt or no. End of.

I presume you've never had the urge to work overseas?

I can't believe you haven't noticed yet that Spud is a 100â„… committed member
of the British white trash, who thinks anything beyond Dover is the
preserve of darkies and other undesirables intent on stealing his precious
bodily fluids (he'd probably say job, but it seems highly unlikely he has
one.)

It's not as if he makes a secret of it.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:02:02 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:26:38 on Thu, 12 Jan
2017, d remarked:
Since no one has any idea who invented blockchain and bitcoin there's no
way
of knowing if they're a young genius or an ageing professor.

Er, it's people deploying solutions based on blockchain I was referring
to.

Deploying software has even less requirement for "fresh minds" than writing
it.

Deploying is not the same as installing a shrink-wrap application. It

No, but nor does it require any great leap of inspiration or a new way to look
at a problem. Its all pretty much working to a checklist.

Perhaps I'm making the mistake that you have any kind of non-robotic
input to the projects you are involved in.

After uni I was an IT installations engineer travelling around the country
installing RS/6000 systems. It was a muppet job, you just did the same thing
over and over again, albeit in a different location and solving the occasional
minor issue. Then I moved onto to coding and systems design which requires far
more originality and thought. So I'm speaking from experience, unlike I suspect
you.

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Spud

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:21:02 -0000 (UTC)
Clank wrote:
On 12.01.2017 4:28 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:33:34 on Thu, 12 Jan
2017, d remarked:

You would clearly be surprised how many naturalised foreigners there are
in the country.

If they are naturalised, are they foreigners?

No, and that's the point. People assume that everyone with a "foreign
accent" is a "foreigner".

Yes they are. If you weren't born here you're foreign accemt or no. End of.

I presume you've never had the urge to work overseas?

I can't believe you haven't noticed yet that Spud is a 100â„… committed member
of the British white trash, who thinks anything beyond Dover is the
preserve of darkies and other undesirables intent on stealing his precious
bodily fluids (he'd probably say job, but it seems highly unlikely he has
one.)

It's not as if he makes a secret of it.

Forgot to take your meds again?

--
Spud

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:03:21 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:28:46 on Thu, 12 Jan
2017, d remarked:
You would clearly be surprised how many naturalised foreigners there are
in the country.

If they are naturalised, are they foreigners?

No, and that's the point. People assume that everyone with a "foreign
accent" is a "foreigner".

Yes they are. If you weren't born here you're foreign accemt or no. End of.

I presume you've never had the urge to work overseas?

What exactly has that got to do with the definition of a foreigner?

That if you went to work overseas you'd be discriminated against as a
foreigner, even if you jumped through the hoops to become a naturalised
citizen.

Hold on a minute while I get some hankies to weep into...

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Spud

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:44:23 on Thu, 12 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:

Uber would be disappointed (they call themselves a tech firm).

but they ain't an engineering firm, they are an internet(ish) firm

Hmm, no such thing as software engineering, eh?#

well of course

but that doesn't make their product an "engineering" product, does it

Uber claims their platform is.

like they claim that they are Newtech company and not a transport operator

a claim that the courts struck done at first instance

tim


--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 16:26:38 on Thu, 12 Jan 2017,
d remarked:
Since no one has any idea who invented blockchain and bitcoin there's
no way
of knowing if they're a young genius or an ageing professor.

Er, it's people deploying solutions based on blockchain I was referring
to.

Deploying software has even less requirement for "fresh minds" than
writing
it.

Deploying is not the same as installing a shrink-wrap application. It

No, but nor does it require any great leap of inspiration or a new way to
look
at a problem. Its all pretty much working to a checklist.

Perhaps I'm making the mistake that you have any kind of non-robotic input
to the projects you are involved in.

The problem with having robotic input into the development process is that
graduates no longer aspire to the work

tim

In message , at 09:51:29 on Fri, 13 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:
Uber would be disappointed (they call themselves a tech firm).

but they ain't an engineering firm, they are an internet(ish) firm

Hmm, no such thing as software engineering, eh?#

well of course

but that doesn't make their product an "engineering" product, does it

Uber claims their platform is.

like they claim that they are Newtech company and not a transport operator

a claim that the courts struck done at first instance

Did they buy their taxi-booking application at PC World, or was there
quite a lot of in-house programing to do?
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:51:29 on Fri, 13 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:
Uber would be disappointed (they call themselves a tech firm).

but they ain't an engineering firm, they are an internet(ish) firm

Hmm, no such thing as software engineering, eh?#

well of course

but that doesn't make their product an "engineering" product, does it

Uber claims their platform is.

like they claim that they are Newtech company and not a transport operator

a claim that the courts struck done at first instance

Did they buy their taxi-booking application at PC World, or was there
quite a lot of in-house programing to do?

For the FINAL time

it's an INTERNET based program not an engineering product based program

tim

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:51:49 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:51:29 on Fri, 13 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:
Uber would be disappointed (they call themselves a tech firm).

but they ain't an engineering firm, they are an internet(ish) firm

Hmm, no such thing as software engineering, eh?#

well of course

but that doesn't make their product an "engineering" product, does it

Uber claims their platform is.

like they claim that they are Newtech company and not a transport operator

a claim that the courts struck done at first instance

Did they buy their taxi-booking application at PC World, or was there
quite a lot of in-house programing to do?

For the FINAL time

it's an INTERNET based program not an engineering product based program

My employer, like Uber, considers itself to be new tech and considers
itself to be doing engineering. I don't like all that, as I haven't
noticed us building any bridges or tunnels recently, but it is perhaps
a matter of style and opinion - just not mine!

We do at least do all our own software, as I suppose does Uber, so we
need a word for that, it just isn't "engineering" to me. Perhaps we
should use it in the American English term for a train driver - one
who spends all day fiddling with a engine?

Richard.

In message , at 12:51:49 on Fri, 13 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:

Did they buy their taxi-booking application at PC World, or was there
quite a lot of in-house programing to do?

For the FINAL time

it's an INTERNET based program not an engineering product based program

I have some friends who work for the IETF (Internet **ENGINEERING** Task
Force) who would disagree with you.

And yes, that's a lot to do with infrastructure, but Uber's app needs
infrastructure too, as well as shedloads of programming (often called
Software ***ENGINEERING***).
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Roland Perry