In message , at 19:58:54 on Tue, 17 Jan
2017, John Levine remarked:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

Does it say the flights are non-stop?

Perhaps they'll clear customs/immigration en-route, as BA does at
Shannon for its flights from London City Airport.

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?
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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:58:54 on Tue, 17 Jan
2017, John Levine remarked:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

Does it say the flights are non-stop?

I'm pretty sure they're non-stop.


Perhaps they'll clear customs/immigration en-route, as BA does at
Shannon for its flights from London City Airport.

No need. LGA already handles long haul business jets, providing customs and
immigration facilities, just as are available at many other small airports
used by private jets. Just because they aren't provided for larger
commercial jets doesn't stop them being available for small business jets
carrying a handful of people, whose identities will already have been
notified.

Presumably they have to be pre-booked, to ensure that the staff are
available. For example, I don't think the Harrods terminal at Luton is busy
enough to have full-time customs and immigration staff, but they come over
when needed.

Also, many private jet flights are not physically checked. Like boats, they
notify customs, but if the passengers say they have nothing to declare,
customs may choose to accept their declaration without physically being
present, just as most pax going through the green channel aren't stopped.
Presumably they need, at most, one immigration officer, but perhaps even
that may not be needed.


As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers. A
packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial flight.

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:02:07 on Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers.

One of their USPs is reducing the "overhead" time at the airports both
ends (and the NY end being closer to Manhattan).

There's a lot of US-focussed hi-tech companies in the Cambridge area.

A packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial
flight.

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:36:13 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:02:07 on Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers.

One of their USPs is reducing the "overhead" time at the airports both
ends (and the NY end being closer to Manhattan).

Yes

There's a lot of US-focussed hi-tech companies in the Cambridge area.

True

A packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial
flight.

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.

Not compared to the significantly cheaper first class seats on a
commercial flight.

In message , at 13:45:51 on
Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.

Not compared to the significantly cheaper first class seats on a
commercial flight.

Regular business class is sufficiently comfortable for most people.

And: "Bliss Jet will limit seat sales well below the maximum
aircraft’s capacity for extra comfort..."

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:45:51 on
Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.

Not compared to the significantly cheaper first class seats on a
commercial flight.

Regular business class is sufficiently comfortable for most people.

Yes, and a lot cheaper, with a choice of dozens of flights a day on the
NYC-LON route. Bliss will have just one flight a week, so most pax will
need to use another airline for one leg of a return trip. They might as
well use scheduled airlines for both legs, as they will need to do for any
trips that don't fit with Bliss's once a week service. And most corporate
execs will work for companies that have arrangements with preferred
airlines.

I'd have thought Bliss would do better to aim at a less well-served route.


And: "Bliss Jet will limit seat sales well below the maximum
aircraft’s capacity for extra comfort..."

They must have be reacting to feedback, but that makes the business model
trickier still.

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 15:13:17 on Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:
I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.

Not compared to the significantly cheaper first class seats on a
commercial flight.

Regular business class is sufficiently comfortable for most people.

Yes, and a lot cheaper, with a choice of dozens of flights a day on the
NYC-LON route. Bliss will have just one flight a week, so most pax will
need to use another airline for one leg of a return trip. They might as
well use scheduled airlines for both legs, as they will need to do for any
trips that don't fit with Bliss's once a week service. And most corporate
execs will work for companies that have arrangements with preferred
airlines.

I'd have thought Bliss would do better to aim at a less well-served route.

And: "Bliss Jet will limit seat sales well below the maximum
aircraft’s capacity for extra comfort..."

They must have be reacting to feedback, but that makes the business model
trickier still.

In both cases, not if they are already operating the flight for a few
specific weekly commuters, and want to fill a few empty seats (maybe
even giving a discount to the regulars).
--
Roland Perry

"Recliner" wrote in message
...

A
packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial flight.

if that is the case I don't see the selling point

tim

In message , at 13:50:11 on Wed, 18 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:
A
packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial flight.

if that is the case I don't see the selling point

It's only been mentioned several times (convenience to/from/at the
airport).
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:05:41 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:50:11 on Wed, 18 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:
A
packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial flight.

if that is the case I don't see the selling point

It's only been mentioned several times (convenience to/from/at the
airport).

737s are bad enough. I can't imagine spending 8 hours bouncing across the
atlantic in something not much bigger than a minibus, comfortable seats or not.

--
Spud