In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
Central and Waterloo & City lines strike for 24hours from Wednesday
night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

I see the RMT has picked another earth-shattering issue for this week's
political strike:
"The dispute centres around plans to transfer eight train operators
between Central line depots."

Are Cash & Co trying to drive their members out of work by gaining such a
reputation for bloody-mindedness?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:34:00 -0600
wrote:
In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
Central and Waterloo & City lines strike for 24hours from Wednesday
night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

I see the RMT has picked another earth-shattering issue for this week's
political strike:
"The dispute centres around plans to transfer eight train operators
between Central line depots."

Are Cash & Co trying to drive their members out of work by gaining such a
reputation for bloody-mindedness?

Its very reminiscent of Leyland back in the 70s. There needs to be a change
in the law to make the railway a special service (or whatever the term is) so
that strikes are outlawed and if there are any wildcat strikes then the
perpetrators can be sacked on the spot.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:34:00 -0600
wrote:
In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
Central and Waterloo & City lines strike for 24hours from Wednesday
night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

I see the RMT has picked another earth-shattering issue for this week's
political strike:
"The dispute centres around plans to transfer eight train operators
between Central line depots."

Are Cash & Co trying to drive their members out of work by gaining such a
reputation for bloody-mindedness?

Its very reminiscent of Leyland back in the 70s. There needs to be a change
in the law to make the railway a special service (or whatever the term is) so
that strikes are outlawed and if there are any wildcat strikes then the
perpetrators can be sacked on the spot.

I don't know if it currently happens, but they should lose two days' pay
when a 24 hour strike spans, and therefore messes up, two working days, as
this one will.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Its very reminiscent of Leyland back in the 70s. There needs to be a change
in the law to make the railway a special service (or whatever the term is) so
that strikes are outlawed and if there are any wildcat strikes then the
perpetrators can be sacked on the spot.

I don't know if it currently happens, but they should lose two days' pay
when a 24 hour strike spans, and therefore messes up, two working days, as
this one will.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

--
Spud

d wrote on 25 Jan 2017 at 09:29 ...
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:34:00 -0600
wrote:
In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
Central and Waterloo & City lines strike for 24hours from Wednesday
night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

I see the RMT has picked another earth-shattering issue for this week's
political strike:
"The dispute centres around plans to transfer eight train operators
between Central line depots."

Are Cash & Co trying to drive their members out of work by gaining such a
reputation for bloody-mindedness?

Its very reminiscent of Leyland back in the 70s. There needs to be a change
in the law to make the railway a special service (or whatever the term is) so
that strikes are outlawed and if there are any wildcat strikes then the
perpetrators can be sacked on the spot.

In Paris, it's less draconian than that, but quite customer-friendly.
The arrangement is, I think, that they have to keep a proportion of the
trains running to provide a minimum level of service. So when there's a
strike on the Métro, RATP are able to announce in advance the expected
level of service during the strike, such as "1 train in 3". If there is
disruption on RER B, SNCF always run a shuttle service from Gare du Nord
to CDG airport to provide a minimum service to the airport. They even
have a dedicated website abcdtrains.com which is only used during major
disruption, usually strikes, to provide details of the emergency
timetable. It remembers the journey you asked about during the previous
strike.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 06:34:00PM -0600, wrote:

Are Cash & Co trying to drive their members out of work by gaining such a
reputation for bloody-mindedness?

That's what it looks like, but I don't think it's actually the case.
They know full well that their industry is changing and that staffing
requirements aren't as high as they were in the Good Old Days. They're
just doing everything they can to delay it as much as possible.

See also the situation back during and after the switchover from steam
to diesel on BR that locomotives had a fireman - sorry, I mean a
"driver's assistant" - on board. The unions managed to keep that wheeze
going until the early 80s IIRC on the grounds that it was training for
future drivers.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Human Rights left unattended may be removed,
destroyed, or damaged by the security services.

On 2017\01\25 10:30, Richard J. wrote:

In Paris, it's less draconian than that, but quite customer-friendly.
The arrangement is, I think, that they have to keep a proportion of the
trains running to provide a minimum level of service. So when there's a
strike on the Métro, RATP are able to announce in advance the expected
level of service during the strike, such as "1 train in 3". If there is
disruption on RER B, SNCF always run a shuttle service from Gare du Nord
to CDG airport to provide a minimum service to the airport. They even
have a dedicated website abcdtrains.com which is only used during major
disruption, usually strikes, to provide details of the emergency
timetable. It remembers the journey you asked about during the previous
strike.

I heard that French railway strikes involved running the trains as
normal but closing all the ticket offices and letting everyone travel
free. Was that a myth?

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

I don't know if it currently happens, but they should lose two days' pay
when a 24 hour strike spans, and therefore messes up, two working days, as
this one will.

Presumably they are compensated (if not in full) by the union's strike
fund.

--
jhk

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

I don't know if it currently happens, but they should lose two days' pay
when a 24 hour strike spans, and therefore messes up, two working days, as
this one will.

Presumably they are compensated (if not in full) by the union's strike
fund.


Possibly, I'm not sure. But it would be good if the union's funds took more
of a hit from all of its political strikes.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 00:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

I don't know if it currently happens, but they should lose two days' pay
when a 24 hour strike spans, and therefore messes up, two working days, as
this one will.

Presumably they are compensated (if not in full) by the union's strike
fund.


Possibly, I'm not sure. But it would be good if the union's funds took more
of a hit from all of its political strikes.

How much does union membership cost?

For Norwegian Transport Workers Union it's 1.7 % of wages plus NOK
229/month for various collective insurance policies.

--
jhk