In message , at
18:38:14 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, Arthur Figgis
remarked:
If you want to discuss "early adopters of social media" instead,
then my view is that Facebook moved out of the early adopter phase
in 2009. I joined Facebook in June 2007.

When I was a student, c.1999 someone I vaguely knew set up a website
where people could upload newfangled digital photos relatively easily,
label their mates in them and generally cyberstalk people. If only I'd
given him a few quid to develop the idea further and introduce it to a
wider public...

An acquaintance of mine, Joel, set up such a site for Internet industry
insiders in around 1999, later threw it open to all comers.
--
Roland Perry

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 01/03/2017 18:53, tim... wrote:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message

The passenger will presumably notice if they can use different types
of fare capping to at present, or new discount schemes/ticket products
are brought in using the extra capabilities which will be available.

especially if he has to over-feed a card to pay for a load of individual
journeys, only to have the excess refunded when the back office cap is
applied

Wouldn't they just need the money there ready for when the single, capped,
payment is required overnight?

and then if it isn't thus available, how do they "beep" at the gate to stop
you entering, for a journey that you have already completed?

tim



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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On 2017-03-01 18:53:00 +0000, tim... said:

especially if he has to over-feed a card to pay for a load of individual
journeys, only to have the excess refunded when the back office cap is
applied

seems like a recipe for disaster in the making

That is not how capping works. Capping works by stopping taking money
when the cap has been reached.

not when it reconciled overnight [1] in the back office, it doesn't

[1] which is the proposed plan (apparently)

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:19:12 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017,
Clank remarked:

until senior managers take an attitude of "there but for the grace of god
go I" regarding over-exuberant Usenet postings, there is a risk. And
despite Usenet being more widespread since the eternal september, I don't
think many senior managers have reached that yet.

Speaking as a senior manager, I'm pretty sure there are postings I made on
Usenet in the 1980s I'd probably regret now, and being well aware of the
perils of social media would absolutely not be holding someone's youthful
indiscretions against them provided they're not of a nature that brings
into doubt their trustworthiness.

I suspect I am not unique and senior managers - in tech firms in
particular
- are rather more forward thinking than you imagine.

A lot of senior managers I know still get someone to print out their
emails so they can read them. Beware viewing the world from inside a
tech-bubble.

I'd be very surprised, if there are more then a handful of managers who are
incapable of finding the "print" button" for themselves.

So the very nature of the fact that they have someone who can be tasked with
printing them out for them, suggests that they are being printed out for a
different reason than "the manager is incapable of accessing them on a
computer for him/herself"

tim

In message , at 08:37:14 on Thu, 2 Mar 2017,
tim... remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:19:12 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, Clank remarked:

until senior managers take an attitude of "there but for the grace
of god go I" regarding over-exuberant Usenet postings, there is a
risk. And despite Usenet being more widespread since the eternal
september, I don't think many senior managers have reached that yet.

Speaking as a senior manager, I'm pretty sure there are postings I made on
Usenet in the 1980s I'd probably regret now, and being well aware of the
perils of social media would absolutely not be holding someone's youthful
indiscretions against them provided they're not of a nature that brings
into doubt their trustworthiness.

I suspect I am not unique and senior managers - in tech firms in
particular
- are rather more forward thinking than you imagine.

A lot of senior managers I know still get someone to print out their
emails so they can read them. Beware viewing the world from inside a
tech-bubble.

I'd be very surprised, if there are more then a handful of managers who
are incapable of finding the "print" button" for themselves.

They are from a generation who don't even have a keyboard.

So the very nature of the fact that they have someone who can be tasked
with printing them out for them, suggests that they are being printed
out for a different reason than "the manager is incapable of accessing
them on a computer for him/herself"

No.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 08:18:16 on Thu, 2 Mar
2017, Roland Perry remarked:
If you want to discuss "early adopters of social media" instead,
then my view is that Facebook moved out of the early adopter phase
in 2009. I joined Facebook in June 2007.

When I was a student, c.1999 someone I vaguely knew set up a website
where people could upload newfangled digital photos relatively easily,
label their mates in them and generally cyberstalk people. If only I'd
given him a few quid to develop the idea further and introduce it to a
wider public...

An acquaintance of mine, Joel, set up such a site for Internet industry
insiders in around 1999, later threw it open to all comers.

Fotopic.net
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 19:20:46 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
Ultimately though, a networked systems is constrained by the speed of
data on a copper wire or fibre optic cable and thats capped by physics.

How much of the networking isn't fibre these days? How much that isn't won't

No idea, but BT tend to keep their cards close to their chest so only they
know the true ratio.

be by 2018? Compare 4G wireless data speeds with earlier generations. Copper
is just so passé.

You're confusing bandwidth with latency. They're not the same thing.

--
Spud

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:30:34 -0000, tim... wrote:


"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2017-03-01 18:53:00 +0000, tim... said:

especially if he has to over-feed a card to pay for a load of individual
journeys, only to have the excess refunded when the back office cap is
applied

seems like a recipe for disaster in the making

That is not how capping works. Capping works by stopping taking money
when the cap has been reached.

not when it reconciled overnight [1] in the back office, it doesn't

[1] which is the proposed plan (apparently)

It's not really either. If you make more than one journey on a contacless
card in a day you only get one charge.

When you use a brand new card a 10p authorisation, but not charge, is
made against the account when you first touch in. Nothing else reaches
your account until the end of the day when a single charge for the sum
of all the journeys made is collected and the 10p authorisation cancelled.

Or at least that is what appeared to happened to me when I used a pre-pay
card with realtime alerts of events.

In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 19:20:46 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
Ultimately though, a networked systems is constrained by the speed of
data on a copper wire or fibre optic cable and thats capped by physics.

How much of the networking isn't fibre these days? How much that isn't
won't

No idea, but BT tend to keep their cards close to their chest so only
they know the true ratio.

be by 2018? Compare 4G wireless data speeds with earlier generations.
Copper is just so passé.

You're confusing bandwidth with latency. They're not the same thing.

I don't think I am.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 02 Mar 2017 05:08:09 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 19:20:46 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
Ultimately though, a networked systems is constrained by the speed of
data on a copper wire or fibre optic cable and thats capped by physics.

How much of the networking isn't fibre these days? How much that isn't
won't

No idea, but BT tend to keep their cards close to their chest so only
they know the true ratio.

be by 2018? Compare 4G wireless data speeds with earlier generations.
Copper is just so passé.

You're confusing bandwidth with latency. They're not the same thing.

I don't think I am.

Well I'm not sure what you're saying about latency with 4G data speeds
compared to earlier generations then. Are you suggesting the extra data
speeds are down to the speed of light increasing and the signal getting from
the base station quicker? The time for a signal to reach a phone from the
base station is fixed and always will be. Ditto any signals going down a
fibre optic cable. The only difference in the latter is how quickly a router
can process and forward them but for this trivial amount of data the
transmission will be I/O bound, not CPU bound.

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Spud