In message , at 08:44:37 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the
passenger is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend
it by travelling.

If that's the case then "Oyster will become like Contactless" is
meaningless, if the passenger can't perceive a difference (other than
the slower gate-opening).

It's not meaningless, because the back-end is changing.

OK, so the change is one that's only perceived by TfL, whereas the
passenger will see no change? Is that what you think it means.
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Roland Perry

One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers) which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 01:40:04 -0800 (PST)
Matthew Dickinson wrote:
One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the
gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers)
which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

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Spud

On 2017-03-01 10:19:02 +0000, d said:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:22:55 +0000
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-03-01 10:19:02 +0000, d said:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

Weekly capping doesn't help me if I find out too late I don't have enough
credit to make a journey when I could have topped up in a quiet time and now
have to go and queue in the rush hour.

Not sure what you're referring to with travel products.

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Spud

On 2017-03-01 10:35:17 +0000, d said:

Not sure what you're referring to with travel products.

Prepurchased time-based tickets bought online, like period Travelcards.
Though I suppose if you added a monthly cap you could do away with
them.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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In message , at 10:22:55 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

OK, so now we *have* found some features where the new Oyster card's
operation is different from the passenger's perception. I'm getting a
headache.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:22:55 on Wed, 1
Mar 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality?
Seriously? Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL
seems to be increasingly running things for the convenience of itself
rather than the passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

OK, so now we *have* found some features where the new Oyster card's
operation is different from the passenger's perception. I'm getting a
headache.

Contactless and Oyster already calculate some journey prices differently,
the Contactless technology being able to spot some peak/non-peak
combinations which are cheaper than the choices Oyster has to make based on
the history up to each touch in/out only.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
01:40:04 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:

One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers) which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

That's verging on the unacceptable. But conforms with my general theory
that new technology almost always introduces obstacles/drawbacks of its
very own, that were not in the previous revision.

My own classic Oyster occasionally flashes up a message about "your card
is about to expire", or something similar (if they want people to read
it they should display it longer). But it isn't, and the next gateline
won't repeat it. Mystery glitch perhaps.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:33:01 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
My own classic Oyster occasionally flashes up a message about "your card
is about to expire", or something similar (if they want people to read
it they should display it longer). But it isn't, and the next gateline
won't repeat it. Mystery glitch perhaps.

That appears to be a bug with some of the gate software. The FOI obtained
copy of Ticketing & Revenue Update that started this thread has a Q&A
about it on page 13.