http://www.cityam.com/267134/whitehall-feud-over-crossrail-2-ministers-push-back-against

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ember.org, at 08:22:45 on Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whiteha...l-2-ministers-
push-back-against

Cliche-fest:

"Rising tension between the government and Transport for London (TfL)
over funding plans for Crossrail 2 is threatening to shunt the £31bn
infrastructure project into the sidings.

Crossrail 2 planners had wanted a decision on it by the end of May to
keep the timeline of the key railway link on track.

In the mayor's transport strategy, unveiled yesterday, Sadiq Khan said
the government "must immediately" give the go-ahead for Crossrail 2."

'Give it the green light' surely??

In other news:

"Read mo Crossrail 2 set to be derailed by the General Election"
--
Roland Perry

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In message
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ember.org, at 08:22:45 on Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whiteha...l-2-ministers-
push-back-against

Cliche-fest:

"Rising tension between the government and Transport for London (TfL) over
funding plans for Crossrail 2 is threatening to shunt the £31bn
infrastructure project into the sidings.

Crossrail 2 planners had wanted a decision on it by the end of May to keep
the timeline of the key railway link on track.


It took 30 years for CR1 to get from proposals to begin built

and they expect CR2 to get authorisation in weeks

unbelievable

tim

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In message
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ember.org, at 08:22:45 on Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whiteha...l-2-ministers-
push-back-against

Cliche-fest:

"Rising tension between the government and Transport for London (TfL) over
funding plans for Crossrail 2 is threatening to shunt the £31bn
infrastructure project into the sidings.

Crossrail 2 planners had wanted a decision on it by the end of May to keep
the timeline of the key railway link on track.


It took 30 years for CR1 to get from proposals to begin built

and they expect CR2 to get authorisation in weeks

unbelievable

It would be if that's what they were expecting to get in weeks. But they
weren't that stupid.

"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
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ember.org, at 08:22:45 on Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whiteha...l-2-ministers-
push-back-against

Cliche-fest:

"Rising tension between the government and Transport for London (TfL)
over
funding plans for Crossrail 2 is threatening to shunt the £31bn
infrastructure project into the sidings.

Crossrail 2 planners had wanted a decision on it by the end of May to
keep
the timeline of the key railway link on track.


It took 30 years for CR1 to get from proposals to begin built

and they expect CR2 to get authorisation in weeks

unbelievable

It would be if that's what they were expecting to get in weeks. But they
weren't that stupid.#

what part of:

"Crossrail 2 planners had *wanted* a decision on it by the end of May to
...."

did you not understand?

tim

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tim... wrote:


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In message
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ember.org, at 08:22:45 on Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whiteha...l-2-ministers-
push-back-against

Cliche-fest:

"Rising tension between the government and Transport for London (TfL)
over
funding plans for Crossrail 2 is threatening to shunt the £31bn
infrastructure project into the sidings.

Crossrail 2 planners had wanted a decision on it by the end of May to
keep
the timeline of the key railway link on track.


It took 30 years for CR1 to get from proposals to begin built

and they expect CR2 to get authorisation in weeks

unbelievable

It would be if that's what they were expecting to get in weeks. But they
weren't that stupid.#

what part of:

"Crossrail 2 planners had *wanted* a decision on it by the end of May to
..."

did you not understand?

"The current timeline envisions a hybrid bill being submitted to parliament
by the autumn of 2019 for Royal Assent by 2021/2022, and construction to
commence that year. The rail route would then be ready to open for 2033,
which would also tie in with the second phase of HS2."

In that best-case timeline, when do you think the *decision* would actually
be made?

Right now, they don't even have an agreed route.

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 1:56:27 PM UTC+5:30, Recliner wrote:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whitehall-feud-over-crossrail-2-ministers-push-back-against

Is HS2 feasible without CR2?

Ding Bat wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 1:56:27 PM UTC+5:30, Recliner wrote:
http://www.cityam.com/267134/whitehall-feud-over-crossrail-2-ministers-push-back-against

Is HS2 feasible without CR2?

Yes.

HS2 phases 1 and 2a are scheduled to open long before CR2 could be
completed, so CR2 isn't relevant to them. Passengers arriving at Euston
will, as now, have direct connections to both Northern line branches
(hopefully benefiting from a much higher frequency than today), the
Victoria line, and an improved link to the Met, Circle and H&C at Euston
Square.

The extra pax conveyed by HS2 after phase 2 would certainly benefit from
CR2, but many could get to their destination by changing to Crossrail at
OOC instead. That may be less convenient for some, but would significantly
reduce the load at Euston.

I'm assuming that HS2 won't be full on day one, but traffic will build over
time, so that makes a delay in CR2 tolerable.

In message
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ember.org, at 07:45:44 on Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

Is HS2 feasible without CR2?

Yes.

HS2 phases 1 and 2a are scheduled to open long before CR2 could be
completed, so CR2 isn't relevant to them. Passengers arriving at Euston
will, as now, have direct connections to both Northern line branches
(hopefully benefiting from a much higher frequency than today), the
Victoria line,

We can hope for the latter. Unfortunately the Victoria Line is saturated
there, southbound trains in the peaks having left Kings Cross with no
room at all.

and an improved link to the Met, Circle and H&C at Euston
Square.

That might be kite flown at an early stage, but the whole Euston design
is still in a state of flux (and *already* running at least 7yrs late).

iirc the link to Euston Square was *via* the CR2 station, and as with
most such modern links would involve a considerable amount of walking.

The vapourware travelator/people-mover from Euston to Kings Cross St
Pancras has already been scrapped, I think; so the subsurface lines have
even more to cope with.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 07:45:44 on Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

Is HS2 feasible without CR2?

Yes.

HS2 phases 1 and 2a are scheduled to open long before CR2 could be
completed, so CR2 isn't relevant to them. Passengers arriving at Euston
will, as now, have direct connections to both Northern line branches
(hopefully benefiting from a much higher frequency than today), the
Victoria line,

We can hope for the latter. Unfortunately the Victoria Line is saturated
there, southbound trains in the peaks having left Kings Cross with no
room at all.

True, but I suppose that HS2 pax will tend to arrive after the busiest
time.


and an improved link to the Met, Circle and H&C at Euston
Square.

That might be kite flown at an early stage, but the whole Euston design
is still in a state of flux (and *already* running at least 7yrs late).

iirc the link to Euston Square was *via* the CR2 station, and as with
most such modern links would involve a considerable amount of walking.

A lot less than today. Basically, they have to add a new connection to the
eastern end of the Euston Square platforms, which will be very close to the
HS2 platforms and concourse.

The SSR services should also be more frequent and reliable than today, with
the new signalling in place. I think that includes ATO.


The vapourware travelator/people-mover from Euston to Kings Cross St
Pancras has already been scrapped, I think; so the subsurface lines have
even more to cope with.

Yes