Roads are transport too, so I thought I'd share my experience from last
Friday.

Taking my car to be serviced somewhere in Leyton, the biggest driving
hazard by far was London Buses who bulldoze their way through oncoming
traffic when (as is commonplace) their side of the road covered in
double yellows etc is blocked by delivery drivers/courier vans.

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
Roads are transport too, so I thought I'd share my experience from last
Friday.

Taking my car to be serviced somewhere in Leyton, the biggest driving
hazard by far was London Buses who bulldoze their way through oncoming
traffic when (as is commonplace) their side of the road covered in
double yellows etc is blocked by delivery drivers/courier vans.

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.

Yup, I think the bus drivers are well aware of the locations of speed
cameras, and in their absence, ignore 20mph limits.


In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

In message
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ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
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ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.

why not?

the mess caused by people discarding drinking containers has to be cleared
up wherever you are

tim


--
Roland Perry

On 17/07/2017 16:38, Roland Perry wrote:

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.
All NEW London buses should be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance
see:
http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4971.html.
(26 April 2016)

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:55:23 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.

I agree entirely. Punish antisocial behaviour by all means. Not legal
activity just in case it leads to an illegal act.

But I think that TfL's takeover of ex-BR routes has worse things: the
closing of perfectly good tiolets on their Overground class 317s, and
the pointless warnings against using interconnecting doors that are
used entirely safely on other operators using the same rolling stock.

Jeez - after a night out in London I enjoy my can of M&S gin and tonic
on the train home. It's not TfL so against no rules, but WTF should I
be unable to do this?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:42:06 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
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ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.

why not?

the mess caused by people discarding drinking containers has to be cleared
up wherever you are

I can only imagine you'd been drinking when you posted this.

There's no prohibition on food being consumed on TfL. McDonalds and
KFC detritus is far more of a problem that any alcohol containers in
any train I've ever been on. There are plenty of discarded cans, but
they almost always contained soft drinks, not a fine sustaining
beverage. There are also plenty of abandoned coffee cups.

But I repeat what I've said in in this thread and elsewhere. Punish,
and prohibit, behaviour where needed. Acting antisocially - and
that includes leaving litter - should be dealt with. Minding your own
business doing something that in a small minority of cases could lead
to antisocial behaviour should never be proscribed in a free society.

In article , (Jim
Chisholm) wrote:

On 17/07/2017 16:38, Roland Perry wrote:

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.
All NEW London buses should be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance
see: http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4971.html.
(26 April 2016)

I think Leyton is a bit suburban to have got new buses yet, Jim.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:55:23 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.

I think that it's much easier to enforce a simple blanket rule than a
more complex, nuanced rule that varies with time, circumstance and
location. It was the same with the smoking ban: rather than just ban
it underground, it was banned throughout the TfL estate, so you didn't
get arguments about whether no smoking signs were visible or whether
Earl's Court District line platforms were underground or not.

So, yes, the real desire was to ban drinking from, say, city centre
trains and buses after 21:00, but it's easier and much simpler to just
ban it everywhere, at all times.

In message , at 14:41:15 on
Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Recliner remarked:

the real desire was to ban drinking from, say, city centre trains and
buses after 21:00, but it's easier and much simpler to just ban it
everywhere, at all times.

Such a pitiful excuse for a nationalised railway. I suppose people yearn
for this kind of fascist state across the whole network?

Corbyn: "I only get to sit on the floor, but at least it's a public
sector floor".
--
Roland Perry