Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:50:05 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:28:02 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 07:19:00 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

But IEPs aren't expected on that line.

Aren't they...

No, all the ones on order are spoken for by VTEC and GWR.

Not true: do your research.

Cite please.

Class 802/2s have been ordered for Hull Trains (5) and TPE (19).
You'll be delighted that this is confirmed by Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...#Fleet_details

Glad to see you have joined the "Wikipedia says it" bandwagon.

There's only one tph (to Nottingham) operated by HSTs, and now
electrification has been cancelled they'll have to find something else
to replace the HST. But I doubt it'll be IEPs.

Doubt it all you like…

It makes no sense to have an IEP mini-fleet to run 1tph.

There's six HSTs.

Wiki says they have 24 power cars. I agree that you probably only
actually need about six sets. But Cricklewood has numerous parked up
during the day (rather than shuttling between Nottingham and London).

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sear...03/0200-0159?s
tp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=EM

Grayling says bi-modes will replace them.

He's waffling.

No, you're the one who's waffling, having already told us that no IEPs had
been ordered other than for GWR and EC, and that no magazines had yet
covered the story that IEPs would be used on the MML.


Can you think of any other bi-modes available for immediate purchase
with 100+ mph capability? If Hull trains can operate five, why
shouldn't EMT? Presumably Hitachi will maintain them.

More likely EMT's successor will get Hull's Adelante's cascaded to them,
like the Pioneers before them.

You seem to have developed a taste for being repeatedly proved wrong…

I don't think we'll have long to wait for the class 802 order; the only
question is how many. I suspect it may be another mass extinction job.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:55:05 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

As an aside, and don't take this the wrong way, but have you recently
had some traumatic event? You seem to be arguing much more than
usual, often claiming expertise that you don't have. Perhaps you
should take a break of a few weeks from posting on, or even reading,
these news groups?

I've recently become a bit less tolerant of people spouting nonsense, I
agree.

You must be getting very angry with yourself, then, shown by your bad
temper, as your own nonsense rate has shot up lately.

In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug
2017, d remarked:

As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's
the link to the current thameslink route?

Slaps forehead

Indeed!

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:51:17 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind? Offhand, I can't think of any examples. He was a poor justice
minister, but his bad policies weren't overturned during his period in
office. And he's been too ideological in the DfT, but I don't recall him
changing his mind at the drop of a hat. If anything, he's pig-headed.

Truncating the electrification project was an inevitable decision,
following NR's failure to deliver, and probably reflects the mandarins'
long term scepticism about electrification. Choosing the DfT-specified IEP
for the MML would also be in line with their policies for other main lines.
I doubt that Grayling knows much about rolling stock, other than on his
local line, so he's probably just accepting civil service advice. Why do
you think that would change?

In any case, I have a strong suspicion that the decision on bi-modes was
taken at the same time that they decided not to electrify beyond Kettering
and Corby. So it's very unlikely he'll change his mind in the next three
weeks. But why do you think he would?

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:29:21 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug
2017, d remarked:

As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's
the link to the current thameslink route?

Slaps forehead

Indeed!

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

--
Spud

In message , at 09:48:34 on Fri, 4 Aug
2017, d remarked:

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

....we will ignore everything you say, as you've now admitted it's
founded upon ignorance.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 12:25:04 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:48:34 on Fri, 4 Aug
2017, d remarked:

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

....we will ignore everything you say, as you've now admitted it's
founded upon ignorance.

Feel free to point out where I said anything of the sort. In the meantime I'll
continue to ignore most of what you say as I've been doing for quite a while
as it happens.

--
Spud

In message , at 13:28:13 on Fri, 4 Aug
2017, d remarked:

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

....we will ignore everything you say, as you've now admitted it's
founded upon ignorance.

Feel free to point out where I said anything of the sort.

Your clearly admitted ignorance of the most basic details of the
Thameslink routes.
--
Roland Perry

Do any of the posters pouncing with glee upon Spud's admission
that he is not an expert on railway geography and track layout in
North London genuinely believe this forum should be a narrow,
exclusive club for railway experts?

An Internet forum is at its best when it has a wide variety of
members with differing levels of knowledge and a broad range
of questions. The proper purpose of an Internet forum is to provide
and exchange information and opinions.

In the "Willesden Junction to Finsbury Park" thread, I linked to a
YouTube video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GY7BbHkkTQ -
which displays captions as to the locations being passed.
Copenhagen Junction is one of those. Belle Isle is name
given to the short space between the first two tunnels passed
through by trains leaving Kings Cross.