On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


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Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article

On 10/08/2017 16:26, Recliner wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article


It appears that my information was wrong, my apologies.


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Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article


So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg

Rink

Rink wrote:
Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article


So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg

Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new
blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The
only clear views of it will be from across the river.

On 10/08/2017 21:18, Recliner wrote:
Rink wrote:
Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article


So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg

Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new
blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The
only clear views of it will be from across the river.


Photoshop

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Graeme Wall
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I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and
made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station.
The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a
boy, there were only 21 platforms. There are steps from platforms
23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath.

The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to
leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes
later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late!

I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised
8 coaches. (3+5) I don't know if this was to reduce the number of
departures during the work. The departure board declared that
the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches
would go forward.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:20:54 +0100, Robin9
wrote:


I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and
made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station.
The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a
boy, there were only 21 platforms.

Yes, the original 20 and 21 were absorbed into the international
extension.

There are steps from platforms
23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath.

It used to the old Eurostar security/immigration/departure hall/car
park, but will become retail space.


The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to
leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes
later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late!

I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised
8 coaches. (3+5).

I think they're more commonly 3x3-car 159s. This train must have
consisted of 2x3-car 159s+2-car 158.

I don't know if this was to reduce the number of
departures during the work. The departure board declared that
the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches
would go forward.

Again, not unusual.

On 16/08/2017 17:20, Robin9 wrote:
I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and
made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station.
The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a
boy, there were only 21 platforms. There are steps from platforms
23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath.

The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to
leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes
later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late!

I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised
8 coaches. (3+5) I don't know if this was to reduce the number of
departures during the work. The departure board declared that
the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches
would go forward.





Not 3+5, probably 3+3+2

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In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised
8 coaches. (3+5) I don't know if this was to reduce the number of
departures during the work. The departure board declared that
the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches
would go forward.

Comprised of what? Class 159s are 3 car and SWT's Class 158s are 2 car.

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Colin Rosenstiel