On 2017-09-13 11:16:14 +0000, Jarle Hammen Knudsen said:

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.

TfL does not share your interpretation.

If you touch in on the second bus within one hour of touching in on the
first bus, you are not charged and the journey can be completed in
whatever amount of time it takes.

Neil
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:54:33 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2017-09-13 11:16:14 +0000, Jarle Hammen Knudsen said:

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.

TfL does not share your interpretation.

If you touch in on the second bus within one hour of touching in on the
first bus, you are not charged and the journey can be completed in
whatever amount of time it takes.

Is this documented somewhere?

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jhk

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote on 13 Sep 2017 at 19:02 ...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:54:33 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2017-09-13 11:16:14 +0000, Jarle Hammen Knudsen said:

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.

TfL does not share your interpretation.

If you touch in on the second bus within one hour of touching in on the
first bus, you are not charged and the journey can be completed in
whatever amount of time it takes.

Is this documented somewhere?

It's not in the TfL Conditions of Carriage (12 Sep 2016). Section 6.8.6 says "If you make a journey using pay as you go on a bus or tram, you can make a second bus or tram journey for free within one hour of first touching in." As has been noted already, that is ambiguous.

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:35:36 +0100, "Richard J."
wrote:

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote on 13 Sep 2017 at 19:02 ...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:54:33 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2017-09-13 11:16:14 +0000, Jarle Hammen Knudsen said:

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.

TfL does not share your interpretation.

If you touch in on the second bus within one hour of touching in on the
first bus, you are not charged and the journey can be completed in
whatever amount of time it takes.

Is this documented somewhere?

It's not in the TfL Conditions of Carriage (12 Sep 2016). Section 6.8.6 says "If you make a journey using pay as you go on a bus or tram, you can make a second bus or tram journey for free within one hour of first touching in." As has been noted already, that is ambiguous.

I don't find it ambiguous at all. To me, it's perfectly clear that it
means your second touch-in will be free if it's within 60 minutes of
the first.

In message , at 21:29:45 on
Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Recliner remarked:

Section 6.8.6 says "If you make a journey using pay as you go on a bus
or tram, you can make a second bus or tram journey for free within one
hour of first touching in." As has been noted already, that is
ambiguous.

I don't find it ambiguous at all. To me, it's perfectly clear that it
means your second touch-in will be free if it's within 60 minutes of
the first.

Yes, because I can easily conclude they are (from the public perspective
anyway) falling between two stools of dumbing-down and using internal
jargon.

Thus the public might feel that a more accurate clause was:

"If you COMPLETE ONE journey using pay as you go on a bus or
tram, you can START a second bus or tram journey for free within
one hour of first touching in."

But the author sees:

"If you MAKE A TOUCH-IN using pay as you go on a bus or tram,
you can MAKE a second bus or tram TOUCH-IN for free within one
hour of first touching in."

There's another kind of "make" jargon in the Fire Brigade. By default
they send two pumps, but the officer in charge can radio in "Make pumps
four". Which doesn't mean "please place an order with the manufacturer
to make four more pumps", but "make THE NUMBER OF pumps HERE INCREASE TO
four".
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Roland Perry

On 14/09/2017 07:08, Roland Perry wrote:
Thus the public might feel that a more accurate clause was:

"If you COMPLETE ONE journey using pay as you go on a bus or
tram, you can START a second bus or tram journey for free within
one hour of first touching in."

But the author sees:

"If you MAKE A TOUCH-IN using pay as you go on a bus or tram,
you can MAKE a second bus or tram TOUCH-IN for free within one
hour of first touching in."

I agree its ambiguous, but the former is surely intended.

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is terminated early? A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the same route number in a convoy. So I've had to get off and get on another bus that is following the same route. This doesn't cause me more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession, and if so how does the system handle it?

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Clive Page

In message , at 11:49:08 on Thu, 14
Sep 2017, Clive Page remarked:
On 14/09/2017 07:08, Roland Perry wrote:
Thus the public might feel that a more accurate clause was:
"If you COMPLETE ONE journey using pay as you go on a bus
or
tram, you can START a second bus or tram journey for free within
one hour of first touching in."
But the author sees:
"If you MAKE A TOUCH-IN using pay as you go on a bus or
tram,
you can MAKE a second bus or tram TOUCH-IN for free within one
hour of first touching in."

I agree its ambiguous, but the former is surely intended.

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early? A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy. So I've had to get off and get on
another bus that is following the same route. This doesn't cause me
more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using
Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession,
and if so how does the system handle it?

Back in the day wasn't the driver of the terminating bus supposed to
give you a chitty to show the following driver?
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Roland Perry

On 14/09/2017 11:49, Clive Page wrote:

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early?Â*Â*Â* A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy.Â* So I've had to get off and get on
another bus that is following the same route.Â* This doesn't cause me
more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using
Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession,
and if so how does the system handle it?

One of the passengers - it usually seems to be me - gets given a paper
ticket by the driver of terminated bus covering everyone onboard, which
they use to transfer without touching in again.

The fun starts if the next bus is a different route number but going the
right way, so good enough for the passenger to reach their destination,
but its driver wants passengers to stand in the rain waiting for the
"right" bus to come along later.


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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 14/09/2017 11:49, Clive Page wrote:
On 14/09/2017 07:08, Roland Perry wrote:
Thus the public might feel that a more accurate clause was:

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "If you COMPLETE ONE journey using pay as you go on a bus or
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* tram, you can START a second bus or tram journey for free within
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* one hour of first touching in."

But the author sees:

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "If you MAKE A TOUCH-IN using pay as you go on a bus or tram,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* you can MAKE a second bus or tram TOUCH-IN for free within one
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* hour of first touching in."

I agree its ambiguous, but the former is surely intended.

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early?Â*Â*Â* A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy.Â* So I've had to get off and get on
another bus that is following the same route.Â* This doesn't cause me
more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using
Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession,
and if so how does the system handle it?


Ask for a continue ticket from the first bus, usually he will issue one
ticket that covers all the transferring passengers.

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:29:45 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:35:36 +0100, "Richard J."
wrote:

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote on 13 Sep 2017 at 19:02 ...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:54:33 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2017-09-13 11:16:14 +0000, Jarle Hammen Knudsen said:

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.

TfL does not share your interpretation.

If you touch in on the second bus within one hour of touching in on the
first bus, you are not charged and the journey can be completed in
whatever amount of time it takes.

Is this documented somewhere?

It's not in the TfL Conditions of Carriage (12 Sep 2016). Section 6.8.6 says
"If you make a journey using pay as you go on a bus or tram, you can make a
second bus or tram journey for free within one hour of first touching in." As
has been noted already, that is ambiguous.

I don't find it ambiguous at all. To me, it's perfectly clear that it
means your second touch-in will be free if it's within 60 minutes of
the first.

Currently the only useful think Kahn/Khan/Little Squirt has done in his
tenure as mayor.

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Spud