On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:48:24 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:44:25AM +0000, wrote:

Its got to the point where its just painful to use in the mornings and
unsurprisingly the vast majority of people bail out at Finsbury and get on
the victoria line putting added strain on that.

It couldn't be that people are changing trains because the Victoria line
goes where they want to go could it? That's the reason that *I* change
at Finsbury Park pretty much every time I use the Piccadilly line.

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically going
to a victoria line station.

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and walking.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:57:41 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:55:41 on
Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Recliner remarked:

The Ongar branch is the same kind of completely different closure as the
'Aldwych Branch'. There's no synergy whatsoever with closing just one
intermediate station on a line that's still operating fully.

The synergy is that they could have slipped it in to the closures list
had they really wanted to close it. But they didn't.

You'll need to cite rather more about the process of closures to make
that opinion stick.

Huh? I'm saying they didn't want to close it, so what has the process
of closures got to do with anything?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:03:05 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:30:02 +0100
"Richard J." wrote:
wrote on 20 Sep 2017 at 09:41 ...
is pretty straight with a long no stopping section between hammersmith and
acton that should in theory allow drivers to catch up if they're running
late.

How do you catch up if you're normally running at the 45mph limit for that

Except in my experience they don't.

Probably because they're following another one, that's following
another one, that's following another one, all being slowed down by
the congestion at Acton Town and Hammersmith


section? In practice, if the service is running late, the westbound Picc
trains often queue up to get into Acton Town. It's ironic that at a 4-platform
station they manage to make it a bottleneck by changing drivers there and not
always using the extra platform.

They manage that at arnos grove too. Its quite an achievement really to get
something so simple so arse about face. I guess they just let the clockwork
computer at earls court to do its thing and no one bothers to override it,
easier to just let the line block up and read The Sun.

Crew changes and the wonky signalling at Acton Town cause most of the
delays.

In message , at 14:44:51 on
Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Recliner remarked:

The Ongar branch is the same kind of completely different closure as the
'Aldwych Branch'. There's no synergy whatsoever with closing just one
intermediate station on a line that's still operating fully.

The synergy is that they could have slipped it in to the closures list
had they really wanted to close it. But they didn't.

You'll need to cite rather more about the process of closures to make
that opinion stick.

Huh? I'm saying they didn't want to close it, so what has the process
of closures got to do with anything?

I'm contesting the "could have if they wanted to".
--
Roland Perry

On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park
Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:12:33 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

Is this not what this thread is about?

Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:12:33 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

Is this not what this thread is about?

Indeed, this is one thread that's not drifted!

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:34:39 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:

The working timetables are all online at
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

Krapy Rubsnif to Kings Cross:
Vic = 310 seconds N/B or 315 seconds S/B
Picc = 7.5 minutes N/B or 8 minutes S/B
About 2.5 minutes difference

KX to Green Park:
Vic = 400 seconds N/B or 390 seconds S/B
Picc = 10 minutes N/B or 9.5 minutes S/B
About 3.5 minutes difference

Those are the official times. The OP thinks that Picc trains are running much slower in real life, causing people to bail out at Finsbury.

Does anyone here have Trackernet or a similar program that might give a real, rush hour timing for Picc trains?