Nick Finnigan wrote:

"Jim Higgons" wrote:

"Martin Underwood" wrote:

None of this alters the fact that almost all accidents involving
pedestrians (except on zebra/pelican crossings) are technically the
pedestrian's fault because he is crossing the road in front of a
moving vehicle without regard for whether that vehicle will be able
to stop in time.

A sizeable proportion of pedestrian/car accidents occur on pavements.
Somebody (it may have been Nick) quoted the figures recently.

9% of pedestrian accidents are on the footway/verge,
8% of serious injuries, 6% of fatalities.
I'd guess the speeds in those cases are similar to cyclists.

And I'll bet that a "sizeable proportion of pedestrian/car accidents [which]
occur on pavements" occur either whilst the car is crossing the footway at a
legitimate crossing place (like a driveway entrance), or whilst the car is
stationary (and possibly unoccupied), including whilst parked on a
designated "wide footway" parking strip.

The idea of drivers - any drivers, even London bus-drivers - driving onto or
along footways and mowing down pedestrians (other than as an immediate
out-of-control result of a collision on the carriageway) is a fantasy.


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"JNugent" wrote in message
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The idea of drivers - any drivers, even London bus-drivers - driving onto
or
along footways and mowing down pedestrians (other than as an immediate
out-of-control result of a collision on the carriageway) is a fantasy.

A fantasy of yours and no-one else.

"JNugent" wrote in message ...
Nick Finnigan wrote:

"Jim Higgons" wrote:

"Martin Underwood" wrote:

None of this alters the fact that almost all accidents involving
pedestrians (except on zebra/pelican crossings) are technically the
pedestrian's fault because he is crossing the road in front of a
moving vehicle without regard for whether that vehicle will be able
to stop in time.

A sizeable proportion of pedestrian/car accidents occur on pavements.
Somebody (it may have been Nick) quoted the figures recently.

9% of pedestrian accidents are on the footway/verge,
8% of serious injuries, 6% of fatalities.
I'd guess the speeds in those cases are similar to cyclists.

And I'll bet that a "sizeable proportion of pedestrian/car accidents [which]
occur on pavements" occur either whilst the car is crossing the footway at a
legitimate crossing place (like a driveway entrance),

Since the pedestrian has right of way in such circumstances, I don't
know why you think this is any kind of mitigating factor.

or whilst the car is
stationary (and possibly unoccupied),

If a pedestrian collided with a stationary car on a pavement and
injured himself, would this be included in the RTA stats?

including whilst parked on a
designated "wide footway" parking strip.

The idea of drivers - any drivers, even London bus-drivers - driving onto or
along footways and mowing down pedestrians (other than as an immediate
out-of-control result of a collision on the carriageway) is a fantasy.

Nonsense, I've heard of plenty of cases where motorists have driven
*deliberately* (or at best, unbelieveably recklessly) at pedestrians
on pavements. Examples:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1250061.stm

http://www.thisisworcestershire.co.u...atest06ZM.html

Jim.

"Jim Higgons" wrote in message
om...

If a pedestrian collided with a stationary car on a pavement and
injured himself, would this be included in the RTA stats?

If it is reported to the police, and they attend.
There is no requirement to do that, same as for cyclists.

JNugent wrote:

And I'll bet that a "sizeable proportion of pedestrian/car accidents
[which] occur on pavements" occur either whilst the car is crossing
the footway at a legitimate crossing place (like a driveway
entrance), or whilst the car is stationary (and possibly unoccupied),
including whilst parked on a designated "wide footway" parking strip.

The idea of drivers - any drivers, even London bus-drivers - driving
onto or along footways and mowing down pedestrians (other than as an
immediate out-of-control result of a collision on the carriageway) is
a fantasy.

Are there any examples of pedestrians, in London or elsewhere, being killed
after colliding with a stationary motor vehicle of any description?

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...

Are there any examples of pedestrians, in London or elsewhere, being
killed
after colliding with a stationary motor vehicle of any description?

The odd one or two may have come to grief by falling from a great height
onto a car roof.
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