On 24/10/2017 11:10, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 24/10/2017 09:43, wrote:
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect
much to happen at 5mph.

Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.

I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).

Or just have the toilets locked out of use at termini.


"Do not use the adjacent apparatus while the train is standing in the
station."



--
Graeme Wall
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A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect much to happen at 5mph.

The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought that right
next to the trap points was a good place to locate a vital electrification
gantry.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 24/10/2017 09:43, wrote:
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having
to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to
rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they
didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.

Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched
recently and I agree it was pretty interesting.

I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there
will be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be
possible to have installed some form of drainage underneath where the
toilets are when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some
kind of trough in the rough location with a flushing mechanism could
do the job and not leave it festering).

Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....

I don't know about Paddington but I've seen large metal trays in the 4 foot
at other stations, presumably to catch some of the debris. However, the
Paddington derailment was out of the platforms so trays in the platforms
wouldn't help, presumably.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 24/10/2017 09:43, wrote:
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.

Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.

I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).

I woukd have thought it would be an ideal location for concrete slab
track. They could have put a drainage channel up the middle so it
woukd just need a quick hose down. The program mentioned having to
break up concrete to remove the sleepers anyway. Anyone know why
timber longitudinal sleepers are in use in parts of Paddington?

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In article , () wrote:

A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect much to happen at 5mph.

The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought that right
next to the trap points was a good place to locate a vital electrification
gantry.

I think you are referring to a different derailment. This one was where
the rear power car of an HST derailed as it was pulling out of platform
2. Not the one where an incoming ECS 'turbo' SPAd'd when approaching
platform 1.

In message , at 16:04:54
on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, remarked:
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having
to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to
rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they
didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.

Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched
recently and I agree it was pretty interesting.

I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there
will be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be
possible to have installed some form of drainage underneath where the
toilets are when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some
kind of trough in the rough location with a flushing mechanism could
do the job and not leave it festering).

Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....

I don't know about Paddington but I've seen large metal trays in the 4 foot
at other stations, presumably to catch some of the debris. However, the
Paddington derailment was out of the platforms

No it wasn't:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/train-...leaves-london-
paddington-station-6865539/

so trays in the platforms wouldn't help, presumably.

--
Roland Perry

In article , (Graham
Murray) wrote:

writes:

In article , ()
wrote:

A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was
pretty interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers
having to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread
due to rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I
guess they didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.

The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought
that right next to the trap points was a good place to locate a
vital electrification gantry.

I think you are referring to a different derailment. This one was where
the rear power car of an HST derailed as it was pulling out of platform
2. Not the one where an incoming ECS 'turbo' SPAd'd when approaching
platform 1.

Oh, yes! Silly me!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 14:08:53 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:09:41 on
Tue, 24 Oct 2017, remarked:

Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....

What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else.

IC225? (Yes, I know, they don't operate at Paddington).

317 (which did, once, have tanks).

What about pacers/sprinters?