On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!

The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.

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"tim..." wrote:
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On 2017-11-15 09:10:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create
the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the
current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would
have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there
would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street
and
both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift which
needs knocking down).

it is 50 years old, and it was a revolutionary new way of shopping when it
opened (and, of course, the high street was still a main road through the
town at the time)

but the rest of the world has caught up and moved on

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent
Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because
it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

The problem at Croydon is that it was originally built as an open air
shopping centre

I know that they added a roof, but it still must be difficult to give it the
ambiance of a center which was built from scratch as an indoor centre

tim

On 15/11/2017 10:32, Neil Williams wrote:

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street
and both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift
which needs knocking down).

There is a slight terminology issue, in that the High Street is not the
high street - the pedestrianised North End is the high street, IYSWIM.

Try St George's Walk for a post-Soviet style experience.

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On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 06:02:09PM +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote:

Try St George's Walk for a post-Soviet style experience.

According to someone in the planning dept it's only still there because
no-one wants to be responsible for the asbestos when they demolish it.
I did point out that if you try hard enough both concrete and asbestos
can be made to accidentally go on fire, but that the fumes would be ...
well, I'd prefer to be downwind of Chernobyl when it was on fire.

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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife with
you, that is

tim

On 2017-11-15 13:27:44 +0000, tim... said:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably
create the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area
of the current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in
Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife
with you, that is

Is it compulsory? My friends from Croydon didn't tell me about that.
Perhaps I should trust them less.

Sam

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"Sam Wilson" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-15 13:27:44 +0000, tim... said:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
news

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create
the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the
current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife with
you, that is

Is it compulsory? My friends from Croydon didn't tell me about that.
Perhaps I should trust them less.

It's not compulsory

but don't be surprised if you feel unsafe without it

tim

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms
to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell simultaneously
there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

tim