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(Robin) wrote:

On 12/01/2018 11:21, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock
I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells
us everything on buses, just as the door closed:
"please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most
bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough
since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet.

Wait until they start pushing hard the message to stay in your seat
until the bus comes to a complete stop. (I don't know if TfL plans
that but I met in somewhere.) It makes sense to reduce injuries but I
shudder to think what it'd do to dwell times in London if people

The nanny state rules!

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On 12/01/2018 11:21, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock
I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells
us everything on buses, just as the door closed:
"please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most
bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough
since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet.

In theory it is a useful addition to safety but I was on three such buses
today and the passenger reaction was mostly amusement (so far) or
annoyance.

In practice it seems to be tripped at all the wrong places and seldom at
the right moment. From the way it comes on frequently while the bus is
moving normally it must be an automatic system rather than a driver
switch. Seems strange that TfL did not test it properly before going
public.

par for the course

(I refer the honorable gentleman to the London Ambulance Service Upgrade
cock-up)

tim

On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock
I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells
us everything on buses, just as the door closed:
"please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most
bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough
since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet.

--
Martin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42681106

One can appreciate TfL's desire to reduce 'surface transport' passenger accidents after publication of the safety report in July last year.

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

DRH

On 14/01/18 16:58, DRH wrote:
On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock
I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells
us everything on buses, just as the door closed:
"please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most
bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough
since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet.

--
Martin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42681106

One can appreciate TfL's desire to reduce 'surface transport' passenger accidents after publication of the safety report in July last year.

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

DRH

The 142 I used yesterday made the announcement and then sat for about 10
seconds before moving off
MikeR

On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

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Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:40:58 UTC, Robin wrote:
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

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Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Maybe the messages could be combined.

Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!

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Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

"Robin" wrote in message
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On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving
before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination
announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus

What wrong bus ? On the very infrequent ocasions I use buses
the bus I use is the only bus on that particular route for around
80% of the distance. And only ever terminate at one destination
at either end.

In any case the announcements are only made in English
which is hardly a help to the tourists for whom presumably
such announcemennts would be of most use. Same as
on the underground.

But then again because TfL "can" do something at little or no
extra cost which "may" "enhance the travelling experience
of say 0.5% of their "customers" - in this case amnesiacs
subject to panic attacks then its odds-on they "will" do it.

Judging by my limited experience at least, standards of driving on buses
vary greatly but I'm not sure whether or not these have deteriorated
down the years. There still seem to be a minority of drivers capable of
anticipating hazards and not being solely reliant on their brakes
even in busy enironments but whether such skills are rewarded
in any way i don't know.


michael adams

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On Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:20:36 UTC, Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Maybe transfer the "This is a number X bus going to Y" to the display screens inside the bus and just have the audible safety announcement.

In my limited experience London bus driving standards seem reasonably high.

Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started
moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the
route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case
someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that
sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend
at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages
will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to
link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to
get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the
bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of
"Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!


The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.