On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.

Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would
probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much
further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's
walkable doesn't make it an interchange.

Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on
the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route
available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future
directish route.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.

Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would
probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much
further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's
walkable doesn't make it an interchange.

Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on
the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route
available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future
directish route.


Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the
GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at
Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange
between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the
map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens
of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin
the increasingly busy map.

On 2018\02\22 16:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.

Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would
probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much
further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's
walkable doesn't make it an interchange.

Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on
the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route
available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future
directish route.


Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the
GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at
Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange
between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the
map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens
of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin
the increasingly busy map.

That makes sense for the tube map. But what about the in-car line guide
on the Crossrail trains? Would "Walk to Poplar for DLR to City Airport"
not make sense on the Canary Wharf blob there?

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 16:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.

Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would
probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much
further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's
walkable doesn't make it an interchange.

Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on
the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route
available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future
directish route.


Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the
GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at
Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange
between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the
map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens
of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin
the increasingly busy map.

That makes sense for the tube map. But what about the in-car line guide
on the Crossrail trains? Would "Walk to Poplar for DLR to City Airport"
not make sense on the Canary Wharf blob there?

No: "change here for the DLR" would be the right message.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote:
https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs

I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between
Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a
station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This
must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without
making any attempt to serve it.

There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway
here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the
houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but
they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich
than they do under Crossrail to the houses.


You might be interested in a report in today's Times:

Extract:

It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for
years: why is it not connected to the £15 billion Crossrail line?

It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long
feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The
east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and
passes just 550ft from the airport terminal.

Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would
examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to
its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to
take between one and two years.

It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about £50
million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end
of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: “We understand that that won’t
happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic
imperative.�

From:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f

I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled.

It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study!

Offramp wrote:
I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled.

It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft
from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City
Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study!

The route is settled, but LCY would like a station to be added. I don't
think there would be a diversion to run closer to the airport terminal. It
does seem odd that this is coming up just months before the line finally
opens. The issue mudt have been considered many years ago, and the option
dismissed. After all, the equivalent discussions and decisions about
additional, privately-funded Crossrail stations at Canary Wharf and
Woolwich took place many years ago:

https://www.1londonblog.uk/2018/01/3...rail-woolwich/

On 2018\02\26 08:05, Offramp wrote:
I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled.

It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study!

550 ft from the *main terminal*. It passes under the taxiway by the
private jet terminal.

On 2018\02\21 18:40, Basil Jet wrote:
Incidentally, I'm baffled by the scale of construction at Stepney Green.
I assumed that the finished site would have either nothing or a little
fan shaft emergency escape jobbie. But there seem to be at least three
buildings more than 30 metres long.




This site gives multiple views of the mid-construction situation with a
long north-south hole in 7 segments. WTF!

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/arti...improvements-1

I'm surprised there are no replies on this at all.

On 26/02/2018 07:55, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote:
https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs

I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between
Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a
station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This
must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without
making any attempt to serve it.

There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway
here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the
houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but
they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich
than they do under Crossrail to the houses.


You might be interested in a report in today's Times:

Extract:

It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for
years: why is it not connected to the £15 billion Crossrail line?

It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long
feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The
east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and
passes just 550ft from the airport terminal.

Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would
examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to
its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to
take between one and two years.

It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about £50
million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end
of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: “We understand that that won’t
happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic
imperative.�

From:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f


And it never occurred to them before?

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