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scott ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : So. Whose engine is working harder? Well assuming both drive the same speed, the bigger car is probably generating more power as it has to shift more weight around. Yet the bigger engine may well be running at much lower load. Assuming both engines are equally efficient, the bigger car is therefore generating more pollution. At constant speeds the power will be closer matched, although the bigger car probably has more drag, so again, bigger car makes more pollution. Not so. It's far easier to make a large car more aerodynamic than a short one, both in terms of pure aerodynamics and in terms of packaging. Frontal area comes into play via CdA, but there's not that huge a difference between the frontal area of a short car and a long one where both are required to offer similar interior space, as the long car doesn't have to be as tall. In short, it's impossible to say. |
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On 6 Apr 2004 08:23:45 GMT, Adrian
wrote (more or less): scott ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : So. Whose engine is working harder? Well assuming both drive the same speed, the bigger car is probably generating more power as it has to shift more weight around. Yet the bigger engine may well be running at much lower load. Assuming both engines are equally efficient, the bigger car is therefore generating more pollution. At constant speeds the power will be closer matched, although the bigger car probably has more drag, so again, bigger car makes more pollution. Not so. It's far easier to make a large car more aerodynamic than a short one, both in terms of pure aerodynamics and in terms of packaging. Frontal area comes into play via CdA, but there's not that huge a difference between the frontal area of a short car and a long one where both are required to offer similar interior space, as the long car doesn't have to be as tall. In short, it's impossible to say. Of course, aerodynamics don't come into play until high speeds are reached. (IIRC air resistance dominates over rolling resistance from about 60mph) At low and medium speeds, rooling resistance is more significant. In which weight /does/ play a significant part. Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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Adrian wrote:
scott ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : So. Whose engine is working harder? Well assuming both drive the same speed, the bigger car is probably generating more power as it has to shift more weight around. Yet the bigger engine may well be running at much lower load. What do you mean by "load"? In absolute terms, the heavier car's engine will always be developing more power to make it move the same as a lighter car. If you mean what % of maximum power though, that is going to depend on the power to weight ratio of the car. I thought this was about pollution and emissions, in which case I think the raw amount of fuel burnt would be the main factor. Just look at the fuel economy factors for little cars and big cars! Assuming both engines are equally efficient, the bigger car is therefore generating more pollution. At constant speeds the power will be closer matched, although the bigger car probably has more drag, so again, bigger car makes more pollution. Not so. It's far easier to make a large car more aerodynamic than a short one, both in terms of pure aerodynamics and in terms of packaging. Frontal area comes into play via CdA, but there's not that huge a difference between the frontal area of a short car and a long one where both are required to offer similar interior space, as the long car doesn't have to be as tall. In short, it's impossible to say. I agree, you'd have to measure the drag on two cars, you can't say that all big cars create more drag than smaller cars or vice versa. Longer cars do tend to have a bigger frontal area though IMO, otherwise they'd look silly like a stretch-mini or something! More importantly though, anytime you want to accelerate the lighter car will always use less power. |
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