On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 at 20:07:26, Dave Arquati wrote:

Well, the ELL will be running 4tph along the South London Line to
Clapham Junction whenever it finally opens (2010 is currently floated).

Hmmm, useful. I thought it was going to Streatham, though, and that
way, or have they changed it yet again?
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In article , Clive D. W. Feather
wrote:
In article , Michael Bell
writes
Pi being what it is, on field where there is no preferred direction, an
orbital route will be shorter than an in and change and go out the other
side route for a journey of upt to 120° rotation round the city centre.

Actually 2 radians, which is 114.59 degrees.

You split a hair finer than any man I have ever seen! But the main point
stands!

Michael Bell

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Annabel Smyth wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 at 20:07:26, Dave Arquati wrote:


Well, the ELL will be running 4tph along the South London Line to
Clapham Junction whenever it finally opens (2010 is currently floated).


Hmmm, useful. I thought it was going to Streatham, though, and that
way, or have they changed it yet again?

That was the plan a while ago; the plan for the last couple of years has
been Clapham Junction via the SLL rather than Wimbledon via Streatham.
The other branches remain the same - West Croydon and Crystal Palace via
Sydenham, and the existing New Cross, all 4tph.

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/3
if anyone's interested ;-)

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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

There's a station on the Paris Metro which has hybrids:
escalators that a

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\_________
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and

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shaped.

Ooh, I haven't found that. Which station is it?
(I assume you mean that on the slopes, the treads remain horizontal and
separate as on an escalator, rather than just becoming a continuous
slope, as at Châtelet and elsewhere.)

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In article ,
(Solar Pennguin) wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote [about the NLL]...

The main bottleneck is generally alleged to be freight paths between
just west of Stratford and Camden Road (and to a lesser extent as far
as South Acton).

Since most of this frieght is coming from places outside London and
going to other places outisde London, does it look like there's a case
for opening outer orbital routes like Cambridge/Huntingdon/Bedford?
Even if they don't generate enough passengers to be viable *on* *their*
*own*, by helping freight avoid the London bottlenecks, they'd still
free up capacity for better services in London such as improved NLL
frequencies.

Oh, no, wait. That would mean integrated transport planning. Silly me.
It'll never happen...

The official alternative is from Felixstowe across the Fens to
Peterborough and then via Leicester to Nuneaton. Unfortunately it's not
electrified so Freightliner can't use their cheap class 86s as they can
via London. And the Government cut the funding for improvements/clearance
for 9'6" containers on that route recently.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
Michael Bell wrote:
Pi being what it is, on field where there is no preferred direction, an
orbital route will be shorter than an in and change and go out the other
side route for a journey of upt to 120° rotation round the city centre.

Except that using an orbital route is normally 3 trips (one in or
out to the orbital route - Poplar to Canning Town, say; one round
- Stratford to Highbury, say; and one in or out again - Highbury
to Walthamstow, say).

The two changes as opposed to one change makes it unattractive to
many; hence the relative usage of the NLL (4 - 6 3 carraige trains
an hour) against the Central (30 or so 6 car tph).

Still, they're great if you don't need to make one of the three
trips because you're a walk from the orbital route - like me.

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In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
The main bottleneck is generally alleged to be freight paths between just
west of Stratford and Camden Road (and to a lesser extent as far as South
Acton).

I think Clive has mentioned sigsim before (it's alleged to be very
accurate, but I can't tell). Now has a simulation of the NLL (and
associated bits, including the Goblin).

http://www.sigsim.co.uk/, from memory.


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Clive Feather:
There's a station on the Paris Metro which has hybrids:
escalators that a

\
\
\_________
\
\
\
...

RER, not Metro. Of course the station is an interchange with the Metro.

Richard J.:
Ooh, I haven't found that. Which station is it?

The vast Haussmann-St-Lazare station on RER line E; the Haussmann end.

(I assume you mean that on the slopes, the treads remain horizontal and
separate as on an escalator, rather than just becoming a continuous
slope, as at Châtelet and elsewhere.)

Right.
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Toronto I admire that in a person."
-- Bill Davidsen

My text in this article is in the public domain.

In article ,
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Solar Pennguin) wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote [about the NLL]...

The main bottleneck is generally alleged to be freight paths between
just west of Stratford and Camden Road (and to a lesser extent as far
as South Acton).

Since most of this frieght is coming from places outside London and
going to other places outisde London, does it look like there's a case
for opening outer orbital routes like Cambridge/Huntingdon/Bedford?
Even if they don't generate enough passengers to be viable *on* *their*
*own*, by helping freight avoid the London bottlenecks, they'd still
free up capacity for better services in London such as improved NLL
frequencies.

Oh, no, wait. That would mean integrated transport planning. Silly me.
It'll never happen...

The official alternative is from Felixstowe across the Fens to
Peterborough and then via Leicester to Nuneaton. Unfortunately it's not
electrified so Freightliner can't use their cheap class 86s as they can
via London. And the Government cut the funding for improvements/clearance
for 9'6" containers on that route recently.


On this morning's BBC Anglia news it was announced that the Government is
interested (I am sorry that I can't quote the exact woolly language used)
in re-opening a Cambridge-Oxford route, it was costed at 200 Million. No
mention was made of whether it would be electrified. It makes sense from all
sorts of points of view.

Michael Bell

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In article ,
(Michael Bell) wrote:

In article ,
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Solar Pennguin) wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote [about the NLL]...

The main bottleneck is generally alleged to be freight paths
between just west of Stratford and Camden Road (and to a lesser
extent as far as South Acton).

Since most of this frieght is coming from places outside London and
going to other places outisde London, does it look like there's a
case for opening outer orbital routes like
Cambridge/Huntingdon/Bedford? Even if they don't generate enough
passengers to be viable *on their own*, by helping freight avoid the
London bottlenecks, they'd still free up capacity for better
services in London such as improved NLL frequencies.

Oh, no, wait. That would mean integrated transport planning.
Silly me. It'll never happen...

The official alternative is from Felixstowe across the Fens to
Peterborough and then via Leicester to Nuneaton. Unfortunately it's
not electrified so Freightliner can't use their cheap class 86s as
they can via London. And the Government cut the funding for
improvements/clearance for 9'6" containers on that route recently.


On this morning's BBC Anglia news it was announced that the Government
is interested (I am sorry that I can't quote the exact woolly language
used) in re-opening a Cambridge-Oxford route, it was costed at 200
Million. No mention was made of whether it would be electrified. It
makes sense from all sorts of points of view.

While reopening part of the route (from Oxford to Bletchley, connecting
with the bit that never closed to Bedford) is being actively pursued the
latest Government instructions to the SRA were that no further work was to
be done on the Bedford-Cambridge section. It's only being considered for
passengers anyway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel