Seanie O'Kilfoyle wrote:


"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Seanie O'Kilfoyle wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:43:48 +0100 E. Zackatackali
said...

Elephant and Castle ---- Walworth North

AFAIK Elephant & Castle is/was the name of a pub in the area

WRONG !

The region got it's name from the Palace (formerly on the spot where
the roundabout with the tardis on it is) of the Princess of Castille
"Infanta de
Castille"

WRONG! see:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ele1.htm

the name does come from a pub, called the Elephant and Castle, which used
to be a smithy of the same name, which in turn was so called because it
was connected the Worshipful Company of Cutlers, whose arms feature a
crest consisting of an elephant with a howdah (portable castle, innit):

http://www.heraldicmedia.com/site/in.../comp018a.html

WRONG !

You've been "Urban Mythed"

WRONG!

You've been "****ted"
--
Al

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Seanie O'Kilfoyle wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:43:48 +0100 E. Zackatackali
said...

Elephant and Castle ---- Walworth North

AFAIK Elephant & Castle is/was the name of a pub in the area

WRONG !

The region got it's name from the Palace (formerly on the spot where the
roundabout with the tardis on it is) of the Princess of Castille
"Infanta de
Castille"

WRONG! see:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ele1.htm

the name does come from a pub, called the Elephant and Castle, which used
to be a smithy of the same name, which in turn was so called because it
was connected the Worshipful Company of Cutlers, whose arms feature a
crest consisting of an elephant with a howdah (portable castle, innit):

http://www.heraldicmedia.com/site/in.../comp018a.html



WRONG !

You've been "Urban Mythed"

Izerntit

"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message
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In article t, Dave Newt
wrote:

It looks nothing like Arabic or Urdu; it's (like the street signs in
Brick Lane) Bengali.

My Sikh coworker insisted it was Punjabi when I showed him a photo of
the Southall station sign last year. (Of course, they may have changed
it since I stopped commuting past there, in mid-2003...)

It could be that several languages use the same alphabet and script. So
several of you could be correct in one respect.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 at 14:43:28, Tom Anderson
wrote:

what about Seven Sisters? i know that's a road, a roundabout and a
station, but where does the name come from (the Pleiades, i guess, but
how?).

No, I think it was after a line of seven trees (The Seven Sisters) that
once upon a time lined the street. Maybe they were identical, or
something, I don't know.

(Rather like the seven oaks in Sevenoaks, six of which were felled by
the Great Storm of 1987).
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 at 18:25:40, Seanie O'Kilfoyle
wrote:



WRONG !

You've been "Urban Mythed"

Izerntit


WRONG!

You have. The "Infanta of Castille" is the urban myth.....
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

Terry Harper wrote:
"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message
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In article t, Dave Newt

wrote:

It looks nothing like Arabic or Urdu; it's (like the street signs in
Brick Lane) Bengali.

My Sikh coworker insisted it was Punjabi when I showed him a photo of
the Southall station sign last year. (Of course, they may have changed
it since I stopped commuting past there, in mid-2003...)


It could be that several languages use the same alphabet and script. So
several of you could be correct in one respect.

Sorry, I think Niklas is right actually.

The Panjabi at Southall and the Bengali at Brick Lane are both modified
versions of a Devanagari script (the former is Gurmukhi, actually),
whilst the Urdu/Arabic suggestions are the entirely different
Perso-Arabic script.

Been a while since I went to Southall. I can tell the difference; I had
just forgotten.

(Of course, Panjabi script is not officially recognised even in Pakistan.)

In message , Annabel Smyth
writes
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 at 18:25:40, Seanie O'Kilfoyle
wrote:



WRONG !

You've been "Urban Mythed"

Izerntit


WRONG!

You have. The "Infanta of Castille" is the urban myth.....

Except that for once there *might* be a grain of truth in the Infanta
story.....

We were told last year at a local history lecture in Southwark that the
land south from the Thames to well beyond and including the present day
the E&C *was* given to Catherine of Aragon when she first came to
England (landing near the site of the present day "Globe", incidentally.

So, although it's *probably* an urban myth, there is a slim chance,
after debunking it all these years, that it might have been true all
along.

(Incidentally, the "Howdah" was a quite common guild symbol, not at all
confined to the Cutlers. It remains in use on several coats of arms,
notably those of Coventry, symbolising mercantile trade in general.

I *think* it might even appear on the coat of arms of the Mercers'
Company in London, too but I'm not in a position to check that out from
where I'm posting at the moment.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

In message , Annabel Smyth
writes
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 at 14:43:28, Tom Anderson
wrote:

what about Seven Sisters? i know that's a road, a roundabout and a
station, but where does the name come from (the Pleiades, i guess, but
how?).

No, I think it was after a line of seven trees (The Seven Sisters) that
once upon a time lined the street.
That's right. They lined the road heading towards what is now Finsbury
Park.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Annabel Smyth wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 at 18:25:40, Seanie O'Kilfoyle
wrote:

WRONG !

You've been "Urban Mythed"

WRONG!

You have. The "Infanta of Castille" is the urban myth.....

indeed - Myth Maria Cathtile wath rethident in our fair thity for several
years before returning to Thpain.

Itherntit.

tom

--
This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On 25 Apr 2004, Robin May wrote:

"Brian Watson" wrote the following in:


I believe the north London station has already (on at least one
sign) been renamed Golda's Green by the skilful application of a
bit of spray paint?

Hackney Wick has been renamed "Hackneys Wicked". No apostrophe in
"Hackneys" though. Honestly, what do they teach kids these days.

how do you know it's not an archaically-formed plural noun phrase? there
may be Hackneys wicked, Hackneys good and Hackneys indifferent, but
they're all Hackneys of one sort or another.


Isn't this sub-thread becoming rather hackneyed?