Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a single
from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund the circle,
and get off at the original station? If not, why not. It's a single
trip from the departure station to a station in the same zone
completed within 2 hours.

On 24 Apr 2004 13:59:26 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote:

Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a single
from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund the circle,
and get off at the original station? If not, why not. It's a single
trip from the departure station to a station in the same zone
completed within 2 hours.

no it isn't. There is no single fare for a trip from where you are back
to where you are assuming a circular trip. This is based on the logical
assumption that you would not wish to buy a ticket to "here" when you
are already at "here". I can assure you that riding round the Circle
Line isn't that exciting!

Do your trip when you can justify having a One Day travelcard and make
it part of other journeys that day.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

OK is it a single journey. Well most people travel on the Underground to
get from A to B. Trips A to A are not what the Underground was meant for
:-)

Will you get into trouble doing it? I doubt it. Will you look like a
nutter? Probably.

CUSTOMER: My ticket wont work the exit gate.
STATION ASSISTANT: Can I see you ticket please sir?
CUSTOMER: Here you are.
STATION ASSISTANT: This is a single from this station sir, can I see your
return?
CUSTOMER: I didn't get off the train I just went around the Circle Line.
STATION ASSISTANT: [This guy is a nutter]

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On 24 Apr 2004 13:59:26 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote:

Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a single
from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund the circle,
and get off at the original station? If not, why not. It's a single
trip from the departure station to a station in the same zone
completed within 2 hours.

no it isn't. There is no single fare for a trip from where you are back
to where you are assuming a circular trip. This is based on the logical
assumption that you would not wish to buy a ticket to "here" when you
are already at "here". I can assure you that riding round the Circle
Line isn't that exciting!

Do your trip when you can justify having a One Day travelcard and make
it part of other journeys that day.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

In message PGWic.32$94.31@newsfe1-win, SJCWHUK
writes
OK is it a single journey. Well most people travel on the Underground to
get from A to B. Trips A to A are not what the Underground was meant for
:-)

Will you get into trouble doing it? I doubt it. Will you look like a
nutter? Probably.

CUSTOMER: My ticket wont work the exit gate.
STATION ASSISTANT: Can I see you ticket please sir?
CUSTOMER: Here you are.
STATION ASSISTANT: This is a single from this station sir, can I see your
return?
CUSTOMER: I didn't get off the train I just went around the Circle Line.
STATION ASSISTANT: [This guy is a nutter]

LOL!
I had one of those the other day... swore he'd been to Oxford Street and
Bond Street but hadn't left either station.
I wondered briefly what he'd been doing for three hours and then made
him buy another ticket...
--
Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no.

"SJCWHUK" wrote in message news:PGWic.32$94.31@newsfe1-win...
OK is it a single journey. Well most people travel on the Underground to
get from A to B. Trips A to A are not what the Underground was meant for
:-)

Will you get into trouble doing it? I doubt it. Will you look like a
nutter? Probably.

CUSTOMER: My ticket wont work the exit gate.
STATION ASSISTANT: Can I see you ticket please sir?
CUSTOMER: Here you are.
STATION ASSISTANT: This is a single from this station sir, can I see your
return?
CUSTOMER: I didn't get off the train I just went around the Circle Line.
STATION ASSISTANT: [This guy is a nutter]


Which is exactly what I did on thursday, and they refused to let me
back out of the system. While they admitted I could happily go 400
yards down the track (from West Kensington to Earls Court in this
case), and exit the system (or indeed exit at Olympia where there are
no barriers), they wouldn't let me out at west kensington. In future
I'll buy a platform ticket, which will cost me less then a zone1 - 2
ticket.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:14:43 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On 24 Apr 2004 13:59:26 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote:

Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a single
from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund the circle,
and get off at the original station?

no it isn't.

Which rule is he breaking? As he says he buys a single zone ticket,
makes one single journey on 1 train and gets off at a station in the
correct zone. At no time does he leave the zone or get on more that 1
train.

There is no single fare for a trip from where you are back
to where you are assuming a circular trip.

We have zones now - so surely this is irrelavant?

A single ticket like I said is to travel from the starting station to
another. if the purpose is not to travel but to stay on the platform then a
platform ticket is the best option.

The question really is why would you want to do a loop to your starting
station?

PW hasn't really explained why he got on at a station and returned to the
same one. I am not trying to second guess the actual facts but here are a
couple of common factors.

Something that often happens is people arrange to meet others inside the
gateline sometimes out of the zone for the ticket and then travel on, back
to the zone paid for. This is evasion whether or not the person exits or
stays inside the barrier.

Others find the gates open at their destination and come back in and travel
back to their origin claiming not to have exited anywhere, especially if it
were a short trip.

If you want the absolute legal position check with the legal dept of LUL.

Steve

"K" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:14:43 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On 24 Apr 2004 13:59:26 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote:

Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a single
from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund the circle,
and get off at the original station?

no it isn't.

Which rule is he breaking? As he says he buys a single zone ticket,
makes one single journey on 1 train and gets off at a station in the
correct zone. At no time does he leave the zone or get on more that 1
train.

There is no single fare for a trip from where you are back
to where you are assuming a circular trip.

We have zones now - so surely this is irrelavant?

"SJCWHUK" wrote in message
...

The question really is why would you want to do a loop to your starting
station?

The reason I once did the Circle Line completely was that I was an hour
early meeting someone at South Kensington, the weather was awful and I had a
good book.

Dave.

Now THAT'S a good reason! :-)))))


"Dave Liney" wrote in message
...

"SJCWHUK" wrote in message
...

The question really is why would you want to do a loop to your starting
station?

The reason I once did the Circle Line completely was that I was an hour
early meeting someone at South Kensington, the weather was awful and I had
a
good book.

Dave.

K wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:14:43 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On 24 Apr 2004 13:59:26 -0700, (Paul Weaver)
wrote:

Is a single ticket valid to the departure station? I.E. Is a
single from glocester road valid if I get on, take a trip arorund
the circle, and get off at the original station?

no it isn't.

Which rule is he breaking? As he says he buys a single zone ticket,
makes one single journey on 1 train and gets off at a station in the
correct zone. At no time does he leave the zone or get on more
that 1 train.

If he buys a Zone 1 single ticket, it is available for "a single London
Underground train journey from the station where it is bought to any
station within the fare value shown on the ticket". As Paul Corfield
said earlier, Gloucester Road is not a destination listed at Gloucester
Road for journeys starting there, for any fare value. Also, you have to
travel by "any reasonably direct route", which going all the way round
the Circle certainly isn't.

On the other hand, Gloucester Road to Gloucester Road would appear to be
a valid journey for a Zone 1 Carnet ticket, which is available for a
journey "starting and finishing within Zone 1", and without any
constraint on the reasonableness of the route chosen.

[Source: TfL Conditions of Carriage,
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pdfdocs/nconditions.pdf]

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address).