In message , at 11:37:25 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, remarked:
Meanwhile vast swathes of both the public and private sectors are
operating in the 21st century with employees placing orders and making
payments online. Eg use of payment cards was common when I retired 13
years ago. There were naturally limits on how much could be charged on

A lot of sole traders don't want the hassle or the fees from lugging a card

machine around when they go to jobs.


Don't need a separate machine, there are smart phone apps that will do
the job now.

How does a smartphone app read chip and pin then? Not all cards are
contactless and not all phones have NFC.

Few smart phones don't have it now and the number of non-contactless

Really? ITYF most don't.

cards is diminishing rapidly.

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.

This whole thread is going off at cross purposes. When the adverts say
you can take smartphone payments without a machine, they mean one of
those DECT-phone sized dedicated machines with a thermal printer (hold
that thought).

The offering is a cardreader that plugs into a smartphone.

But how does one print a receipt??

--
Roland Perry

On 18/12/2018 11:37, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:13:46 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/12/2018 09:42, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:31:59 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2018 16:19, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:37:46 +0000
Robin wrote:
Meanwhile vast swathes of both the public and private sectors are
operating in the 21st century with employees placing orders and making
payments online. Eg use of payment cards was common when I retired 13
years ago. There were naturally limits on how much could be charged on

A lot of sole traders don't want the hassle or the fees from lugging a card

machine around when they go to jobs.


Don't need a separate machine, there are smart phone apps that will do
the job now.

How does a smartphone app read chip and pin then? Not all cards are
contactless and not all phones have NFC.


Few smart phones don't have it now and the number of non-contactless

Really? ITYF most don't.

What smart phones currently on the market don't have it?


cards is diminishing rapidly.

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.


Apple/Android Pay don't have that limit.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 18/12/2018 12:13, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:37:25 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, remarked:
Meanwhile vast swathes of both the public and private sectors are
operating in the 21st century with employees placing orders and
making
payments online.Â* Eg use of payment cards was common when I
retired 13
years ago.Â* There were naturally limits on how much could be
charged on

A lot of sole traders don't want the hassle or the fees from
lugging a card

machine around when they go to jobs.


Don't need a separate machine, there are smart phone apps that will do
the job now.

How does a smartphone app read chip and pin then? Not all cards are
contactless and not all phones have NFC.

Few smart phones don't have it now and the number of non-contactless

Really? ITYF most don't.

cards is diminishing rapidly.

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.

This whole thread is going off at cross purposes. When the adverts say
you can take smartphone payments without a machine, they mean one of
those DECT-phone sized dedicated machines with a thermal printer (hold
that thought).

The offering is a cardreader that plugs into a smartphone.

But how does one print a receipt??


email.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message , at 12:28:45 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

This whole thread is going off at cross purposes. When the adverts
say you can take smartphone payments without a machine, they mean one
of those DECT-phone sized dedicated machines with a thermal printer
(hold that thought).

The offering is a cardreader that plugs into a smartphone.
But how does one print a receipt??

email.

Yet another example of externalising costs to the consumer, and
gathering data (email address) for someone the hack into.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:26:08 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/12/2018 11:37, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:13:46 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/12/2018 09:42, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:31:59 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2018 16:19, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:37:46 +0000
Robin wrote:
Meanwhile vast swathes of both the public and private sectors are
operating in the 21st century with employees placing orders and making
payments online. Eg use of payment cards was common when I retired 13
years ago. There were naturally limits on how much could be charged on

A lot of sole traders don't want the hassle or the fees from lugging a
card

machine around when they go to jobs.


Don't need a separate machine, there are smart phone apps that will do
the job now.

How does a smartphone app read chip and pin then? Not all cards are
contactless and not all phones have NFC.


Few smart phones don't have it now and the number of non-contactless

Really? ITYF most don't.

What smart phones currently on the market don't have it?

Pretty much all PAYG phones and anything a hundred quid or less which is a
large part of the market. Just because you might pay the Cupertino idiot tax
either directly or getting stiffed for 150% of it via a contract, don't assume
everyone else is the same.

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.


Apple/Android Pay don't have that limit.

Big deal. How many people use those? Or would even want to frankly.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:28:45 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/12/2018 12:13, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:37:25 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, remarked:
Meanwhile vast swathes of both the public and private sectors are
operating in the 21st century with employees placing orders and
making
payments online.Â* Eg use of payment cards was common when I
retired 13
years ago.Â* There were naturally limits on how much could be
charged on

A lot of sole traders don't want the hassle or the fees from
lugging a card

machine around when they go to jobs.


Don't need a separate machine, there are smart phone apps that will do
the job now.

How does a smartphone app read chip and pin then? Not all cards are
contactless and not all phones have NFC.

Few smart phones don't have it now and the number of non-contactless

Really? ITYF most don't.

cards is diminishing rapidly.

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.

This whole thread is going off at cross purposes. When the adverts say
you can take smartphone payments without a machine, they mean one of
those DECT-phone sized dedicated machines with a thermal printer (hold
that thought).

The offering is a cardreader that plugs into a smartphone.

But how does one print a receipt??


email.

Sure, just hand over your email address to Mr Random Tradesman. Brilliant idea.

In message , at 13:36:06 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, remarked:

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.

Apple/Android Pay don't have that limit.

Big deal. How many people use those? Or would even want to frankly.

Getting back to transport (sorry about that) I was intending to try
out Android Pay on TfL, but neither of the cards I was proposing to
associate with the App were acceptable.

In a sense odd, because using the cards natively contactless is fine.
Must be that lack-of-30quid limit when laundered through Android Pay
that's making the bank nervous. And frankly, me too.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:46:15 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:36:06 on Tue, 18 Dec
2018, remarked:

Still a 30 quid limit. Useless for almost all tradesmens jobs anyway.

Apple/Android Pay don't have that limit.

Big deal. How many people use those? Or would even want to frankly.

Getting back to transport (sorry about that) I was intending to try
out Android Pay on TfL, but neither of the cards I was proposing to
associate with the App were acceptable.

In a sense odd, because using the cards natively contactless is fine.
Must be that lack-of-30quid limit when laundered through Android Pay
that's making the bank nervous. And frankly, me too.

Handing over random access to my bank account to Apple or Google makes me
very nervous which is why I'd never do it. Its bad enough when a direct debit
goes wrong but at least they're usually only once a month.

On 18/12/2018 12:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/12/2018 12:13, Roland Perry wrote:

But how does one print a receipt??


email.


Bluetooth printers are relatively easily available - you can even get
battery powered ones.

A quick look on a well known internet shop shows availability from £35
or so.

Graeme Wall wrote:

Apple/Android Pay don't have that limit.

I wasn't allowed to use Android (now Google) Pay at Tesco for a transaction over
£30. Terminal declined it.