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I wondered about the roundels in the station. Did all tram stops have a
plethora of roundels?


No - just the two sub-surface stations. These roundels were situated at two


2 sub surface? Where was the other one?

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2 sub surface? Where was the other one?

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The two were (I think) at Holborn and Aldwych

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"John Rowland" wrote:

I wondered about the roundels in the station. Did all tram stops have

a
plethora of roundels?


No - just the two sub-surface stations. These roundels were situated at

two

2 sub surface? Where was the other one?

B2003


If you were to go past the first tram stop (near Holborn) and go as far
along as possible you come to the ramp where the cars have taken over the
other half of the tunnel. Under that ramp there is a small entry on each
side where you can squeeze thru to find yourself between the walls of the
tram tunnel and the newer road tunnel (about a metre wide). There you can
still see the advertising boards and the remains of a roundel circle at what
was the Aldwych stop.
Take a look at the various Kingsway websites and someone will have pics of
this area. Obviously you can work it out when aboveground cos you can see
the road ramp exit.
http://www.starfury.demon.co.uk/uground/ has the pics I mean.

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other half of the tunnel. Under that ramp there is a small entry on each
side where you can squeeze thru to find yourself between the walls of the
tram tunnel and the newer road tunnel (about a metre wide). There you can


Why on earth did they put fake walls in the car tunnel?? Why not keep the
tunnel as it was and just resurface it?

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other half of the tunnel. Under that ramp there is a small entry on each
side where you can squeeze thru to find yourself between the walls of

the
tram tunnel and the newer road tunnel (about a metre wide). There you

can

Why on earth did they put fake walls in the car tunnel?? Why not keep the
tunnel as it was and just resurface it?

B2003


The fake walls only seem to stretch back to the point where the ramp starts
(about 30m), I think the rest of the tunnel was fully used. Personally I'd
like to see inside the section under the bridge where the tram tunnel
originally came out, there's a massive doorway there these days (with a
doorbell!).

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The fake walls only seem to stretch back to the point where the ramp starts
(about 30m), I think the rest of the tunnel was fully used. Personally I'd
like to see inside the section under the bridge where the tram tunnel
originally came out, there's a massive doorway there these days (with a
doorbell!).


I have (although this was 10+ years ago) been inside that end but not
very far!

One day I was walking along the Embankment and spotted that the door was
open. Curiosity managed to get the better of me and I hesitantly
peered inside. Apart from a couple of council vehicles, there was
nothing (and appeared to be no-one) inside. The tracks had gone but
the conduit remained and stretched off into the gloom. I couldn't see
very far ahead and - realising that I really shouldn't have been there,
I quickly ducked back out again.

In the years since, I've seen the door open again a couple of times and
the conduit was still there. But had I not taken that closer look that
time I don't think I'd have realised what it was (or else I'd have
assumed that it was one of the running rails).

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In message , Nick Pedley
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The fake walls only seem to stretch back to the point where the ramp starts
(about 30m), I think the rest of the tunnel was fully used. Personally I'd
like to see inside the section under the bridge where the tram tunnel
originally came out, there's a massive doorway there these days (with a
doorbell!).


I have (although this was 10+ years ago) been inside that end but not
very far!

One day I was walking along the Embankment and spotted that the door was
open. Curiosity managed to get the better of me and I hesitantly
peered inside. Apart from a couple of council vehicles, there was
nothing (and appeared to be no-one) inside. The tracks had gone but
the conduit remained and stretched off into the gloom. I couldn't see
very far ahead and - realising that I really shouldn't have been there,
I quickly ducked back out again.

In the years since, I've seen the door open again a couple of times and
the conduit was still there. But had I not taken that closer look that
time I don't think I'd have realised what it was (or else I'd have
assumed that it was one of the running rails).


I've seen inside as well once years ago when I passed by and the door
was open. I seem to remember there was a roadsweeping vehicle in
there. I presume that the ceiling comes down to meet the access ramp
of the underpass somewhere up ahead. I've seen a picture taken inside
since the tram line shut. It was on the web but I can't remember
where.
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I've seen inside as well once years ago when I passed by and the door
was open. I seem to remember there was a roadsweeping vehicle in
there.

Yes, I think that one of the vehicles I saw in there was a roadsweeper,
too.

I presume that the ceiling comes down to meet the access ramp
of the underpass somewhere up ahead

Y4es but that would be quite a long way ahead, around two "bends, more
or less on the site of the former Aldwych tram station.

(I've always assumed - albeit without any form evidence) that the Subway
followed the Aldwych then turned sharp(ish) left under Kingsway?)
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