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[email protected] · May 14th 04, 01:17 AM posted to uk.transport.london

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(Clive D. W. Feather) wrote:

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On a northbound Northern Line CX Branch train approaching Camden
Town,
you can see the other platform from the one you're going to use.
CX branch? I know you can see CT1 from the cab if you're going to CT3,
but
didn't think you could from the train. Now if you were to say the City
branch ...... :-)

I've certainly seen CT1 from the window going to CT3, but I don't
offhand recall when - I *thought* it was on a CX train. The geometry
also made me think I'd see CT3 when going to CT1.

You wouldn't see CT3 if going into CT1 from the CX branch, because the
Edgware CX branch comes out almost at CT1 - past the junction to CT3.

From the CX Barnet branch, CT1 can be seen straight ahead from the cab
(before the diversion, this used to be the original route to CT1). The
route to CT3 goes off to the right. It may be possible to see a bit of CT1
if looking out of the window at a certain angle.

The route from the City to CT3 runs parallel with the CX Barnet branch,
then veers right to join it on the way to CT3. It is at this point that it
should be easy to see CT1.

Sorry, it's not a very good explanation - a diagram is better!

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Roger

[email protected] · May 15th 04, 03:45 PM posted to uk.transport.london

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(Clive D. W. Feather) wrote:

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On a northbound Northern Line CX Branch train approaching Camden
Town,
you can see the other platform from the one you're going to use.
CX branch? I know you can see CT1 from the cab if you're going to
CT3, but
didn't think you could from the train. Now if you were to say the
City
branch ...... :-)

I've certainly seen CT1 from the window going to CT3, but I don't
offhand recall when - I *thought* it was on a CX train. The geometry
also made me think I'd see CT3 when going to CT1.

You wouldn't see CT3 if going into CT1 from the CX branch, because the
Edgware CX branch comes out almost at CT1 - past the junction to CT3.

From the CX Barnet branch, CT1 can be seen straight ahead from the cab
(before the diversion, this used to be the original route to CT1). The
route to CT3 goes off to the right. It may be possible to see a bit of
CT1 if looking out of the window at a certain angle.

The route from the City to CT3 runs parallel with the CX Barnet branch,
then veers right to join it on the way to CT3. It is at this point that
it should be easy to see CT1.

I was driving on the CX branch to CT3 yesterday and had a closer look. The
junction is more angled than I thought at the point where the City branch
joins the CX branch as it bends round to CT3 so yes, you probably could
see CT1 when going into CT3 from the CX branch.

Roger

Clive D. W. Feather · May 17th 04, 08:06 AM posted to uk.transport.london

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I've certainly seen CT1 from the window going to CT3, but I don't
offhand recall when - I *thought* it was on a CX train. The geometry
also made me think I'd see CT3 when going to CT1.
You wouldn't see CT3 if going into CT1 from the CX branch, because the
Edgware CX branch comes out almost at CT1 - past the junction to CT3.
[...]

I've now had a chance to check out both Bank to CT3 and Bank to CT1.

On a Bank to High Barnet train, looking out of the left hand side
window, I saw a CX to Edgware train; the angle it was at makes me pretty
sure that that's where you would see CT1. And see below.

On a Bank to Edgware train, looking out of the right hand side window,
there was a brief flash of light which was clearly some part of CT3,
though whether the platform or the outside wall is uncertain.

From the CX Barnet branch, CT1 can be seen straight ahead from the cab

I'm sure it will also be visible from the body of the train.

(before the diversion, this used to be the original route to CT1).

I hadn't realized this before you posted, but this morning's hassle
means I found myself right at the back of CT1. So I took the opportunity
to take a longer look. What you've got is:

To CT3
\
\
*
\\
CT1 \\--
##### \ ----
-------*------------------- \ ----
---- ---- \ ----
--\ --\\ ---- NB Barnet
\ \\
\ *
\ \
\ \
NB Edgware NB City

The NB Barnet is the original Charing Cross, Euston, and Hampstead line.
The NB City and NB Edgware (which branches off the NB Barnet) were built
when the City and South London was extended from Euston to Camden Town.

A proper look at the various published diagrams would have made this
clear, but I had always assumed that the CX branch had been left
untouched by the extension. Silly me.

The
route to CT3 goes off to the right. It may be possible to see a bit of CT1
if looking out of the window at a certain angle.

It is. You can see the sides of trains to CT3 (both routes) quite easily
from the end of CT1.

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