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On 28/09/2019 11:36, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 27/09/2019 21:48, MissRiaElaine wrote: I hereby propose a new law, based on Godwin's Law. Anyone who mentions Brexit in a thread that is nothing to do with it automatically loses the argument. Let's call it Boris's Law. Godwin's law doesn't say you lose the argument, just "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" You're no doubt right, it's been a long time since I last saw it. But the principle holds true, and I like my version better..! -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:11:38 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:47:45 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:44:25 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:04:12 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:58:53 +0100, Basil Jet aircraft using the new runway such as the A380 which burns half a ton of fuel just to get from the gate to take off position. Isn't that what those yellow drones someone linked to last week are for? They don't fly, so they're not drones. They're robotugs called Mototok Spacer 8600s. They aren't powerful enough to push back wide-bodied jets, though a larger model might. In any case, they don't replace any jet fuel, as pushback would otherwise be done by hefty diesel tugs. So they save some diesel fuel and fumes, but not aviation fuel. If you knew anything about physics you'd be aware that using a jet engine to push a vehicle on the ground is far less efficient than using powered wheels. Half of the energy is wasted on chucking air backwards rather than making the aircraft go forwards. Who are you arguing with? Nobody claimed that jet engines were an efficient way of moving large vehicles slowly round an airport. We were discussing diesel vs battery pushback tugs. At some airports - don't know about heathrow - some aircraft push back using reverse thrusters. Name one. Borispol, Kiev. https://www.123rf.com/photo_11341508...5-2018-the-pus hback-of-the-ellinair-airbus-a320-200-aircraft-in-the-borisp.html https://youtu.be/7ifDnXNNeLM Not even bothering to look - I was in a plane that did it there so go do one. |
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 07:34:26 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 19:24:25 on Fri, 27 Sep 2019, remarked: On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:21:23 +0100 MissRiaElaine wrote: On 23/09/2019 20:47, Recliner wrote: MissRiaElaine wrote: On 23/09/2019 16:32, wrote: I used to work near heathrow and the number of people travelling there by private car was a small percentage of the total. I don't see why that would change with a 3rd runway. And my office overlooked one of the parking pounds of one of the private parking companies. Anyone who had seen what those ****wits got up to with their prized possesion would never park at heathrow again. They should never have gone for a 3rd runway at Heathrow. A second runway at Gatwick would make far more sense. Not according to the official Airports Commission, the majority of passengers or the airlines. Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than Heathrow any day. Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport Or the M25. The eastern section of which I find much more reliable than the western. or the brighton main line. Which serves Central London with its connections and even direct trains from counties norf of the river, that latter something which Heathrow lacks (until Crossrail serves parts of Essex). That's ignoring the Tube, of course. |
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In message , at 13:35:48 on
Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than Heathrow any day. Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport Or the M25. The eastern section of which I find much more reliable than the western. or the brighton main line. Which serves Central London with its connections and even direct trains from counties norf of the river, that latter something which Heathrow lacks (until Crossrail serves parts of Essex). That's ignoring the Tube, of course. Yes, I forgot the inhabitants of Cockfosters, and their fortitude in getting a tube to Heathrow. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 13:35:48 on Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than Heathrow any day. Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport Or the M25. The eastern section of which I find much more reliable than the western. or the brighton main line. Which serves Central London with its connections and even direct trains from counties norf of the river, that latter something which Heathrow lacks (until Crossrail serves parts of Essex). That's ignoring the Tube, of course. Yes, I forgot the inhabitants of Cockfosters, and their fortitude in getting a tube to Heathrow. Last time I looked, the West End was also north of the river. I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more stations in London than Crossrail will. |
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:54:25 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:11:38 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:47:45 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:44:25 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:04:12 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:58:53 +0100, Basil Jet aircraft using the new runway such as the A380 which burns half a ton of fuel just to get from the gate to take off position. Isn't that what those yellow drones someone linked to last week are for? They don't fly, so they're not drones. They're robotugs called Mototok Spacer 8600s. They aren't powerful enough to push back wide-bodied jets, though a larger model might. In any case, they don't replace any jet fuel, as pushback would otherwise be done by hefty diesel tugs. So they save some diesel fuel and fumes, but not aviation fuel. If you knew anything about physics you'd be aware that using a jet engine to push a vehicle on the ground is far less efficient than using powered wheels. Half of the energy is wasted on chucking air backwards rather than making the aircraft go forwards. Who are you arguing with? Nobody claimed that jet engines were an efficient way of moving large vehicles slowly round an airport. We were discussing diesel vs battery pushback tugs. At some airports - don't know about heathrow - some aircraft push back using reverse thrusters. Name one. Borispol, Kiev. https://www.123rf.com/photo_11341508...5-2018-the-pus hback-of-the-ellinair-airbus-a320-200-aircraft-in-the-borisp.html https://youtu.be/7ifDnXNNeLM Not even bothering to look - I was in a plane that did it there so go do one. Probably a very long time ago. |
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In message , at 14:03:49 on
Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:35:48 on Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than Heathrow any day. Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport Or the M25. The eastern section of which I find much more reliable than the western. or the brighton main line. Which serves Central London with its connections and even direct trains from counties norf of the river, that latter something which Heathrow lacks (until Crossrail serves parts of Essex). That's ignoring the Tube, of course. Yes, I forgot the inhabitants of Cockfosters, and their fortitude in getting a tube to Heathrow. Last time I looked, the West End was also north of the river. In which county north of the river? I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more stations in London than Crossrail will. It's a rather tedious way to get to and from work at Heathrow, if you live north of Kings Cross. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:03:49 on Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:35:48 on Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked: Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than Heathrow any day. Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport Or the M25. The eastern section of which I find much more reliable than the western. or the brighton main line. Which serves Central London with its connections and even direct trains from counties norf of the river, that latter something which Heathrow lacks (until Crossrail serves parts of Essex). That's ignoring the Tube, of course. Yes, I forgot the inhabitants of Cockfosters, and their fortitude in getting a tube to Heathrow. Last time I looked, the West End was also north of the river. In which county north of the river? I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more stations in London than Crossrail will. It's a rather tedious way to get to and from work at Heathrow, if you live north of Kings Cross. Is there a better way using PT? Obviously, people who don't live near a Piccadilly line station might change to the line at, say, Finsbury Park. |
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