On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

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Clive Page

On 05/06/2020 18:16, Clive Page wrote:
On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies
to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).

....whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday? I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

On 05/06/2020 18:28, Certes wrote:
It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

...whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday?Â* I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

Some time ago I got on a bus at around 23:15 on a Friday night (I was delayed on another route) and half expected to have to pay, and indeed my bus pass didn't work the machine, but the driver said something to the effect of "don't worry about it" and waved me through. There are so few local buses (outside London) that run after midnight that I haven't been able to check whether it would have worked after midnight. But it certainly works quite early on Saturday mornings.

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Clive Page

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 22:05:52 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

On 05/06/2020 18:28, Certes wrote:
It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

...whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday?* I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

Some time ago I got on a bus at around 23:15 on a Friday night (I was delayed on another route) and half expected to have to pay, and indeed my bus pass didn't work the machine, but the driver said something to the effect of "don't worry about it" and waved me through. There are so few local buses (outside London) that run after midnight that I haven't been able to check whether it would have worked after midnight. But it certainly works quite early on Saturday mornings.

With London Buses that can be a standard scenario if the driver's
terminal has packed up. The bus still completes its journey,
presumably picking up another machine when it passes an appropriate
garage/office.

"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to
any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the morning
restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time, and
those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the "oldies have
to pay" rule

tim

In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
Saturday with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.
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Roland Perry

On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
afterÂ* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies toÂ* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
notÂ* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
SaturdayÂ* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

In message , at 10:42:25 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
Certes remarked:
On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun
2020, tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction
also applies to* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass
is not* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course
it's Saturday* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that
time, and those that are available are more heavily subsidised,
hence the "oldies have to pay" rule
There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully
paid ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.)

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

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Roland Perry

On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.


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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.

The last time I used one, several years ago, the Nice bus day ticket was 24
hours from Tul... er, purchase.

Sam

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