On 03/08/2020 01:03, Recliner wrote:

But, as far as Thamesmead is concerned, I think it would be much better
served by a tram route to Abbey Wood. That would provide much more capacity
and speed into central London, both via the classic route into London
Bridge and Crossrail.

I never understood why the justification for bringing Crossrail to Abbey
Wood was to serve Thamesmead, when Crossrail could have skipped Woolwich
and gone to Thamesmead before joining the North Kent line at Belvedere.
And now they're talking about extending the DLR because they've suddenly
noticed that Crossrail at Abbey Wood doesn't serve Thamesmead.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Girls At Our Best! - 1980 - Getting Nowhere Fast

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 00:03:09 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Well for a start the transverse seating in DLR trains severly retricts the
number of standees compared to a jubilee train and secondly the DLR trains
trundle along at a slow to moderate speed, there are far too many stops
and too many branches all cramming their trains into the central sections.

The only 'central section' through Poplar is 4-track. But not every DLR
route goes that way. It's not a core route with branches, but a genuine
network.

I said sections, plural. But Bank is the main one and when I last used it
it had trains heading off the Woolwich - presumably for the airport - which
were virtually empty and the ones to canary wharf which were rammed. Plus
the occasional train to and from tower gateway.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

Will we actually need any extension in the future?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?
Some kind of high capacity local feeder system (aka tramway)?

Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?
Some kind of high capacity local feeder system (aka tramway)?

Yes, I think a north/south tram network centred on Abbey Wood might be a
much cheaper, acceptable alternative.

On 02/08/2020 17:11, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?

Wasn't the original version (Fleet Line) of the Jubilee line supposed to
have gone to Thamesmead in the first place.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 02/08/2020 17:11, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?

Wasn't the original version (Fleet Line) of the Jubilee line supposed to
have gone to Thamesmead in the first place.

Yes, but that was before Canary Wharf subsidised the diversion, and the
Olympics.

On 02/08/2020 17:35, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 02/08/2020 17:11, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?

Wasn't the original version (Fleet Line) of the Jubilee line supposed to
have gone to Thamesmead in the first place.

Yes, but that was before Canary Wharf subsidised the diversion, and the
Olympics.


The rerouting was long before the Olympics were a consideration.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 02/08/2020 17:35, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 02/08/2020 17:11, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/

I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?

Wasn't the original version (Fleet Line) of the Jubilee line supposed to
have gone to Thamesmead in the first place.

Yes, but that was before Canary Wharf subsidised the diversion, and the
Olympics.


The rerouting was long before the Olympics were a consideration.


Yes, but the Olympics triggered the redevelopment of the area to the
northwest of Stratford station.

On 2020-08-02 21:17:18 +0000, Graeme Wall said:

On 02/08/2020 17:35, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 02/08/2020 17:11, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if
this project is even alive now. There's a map at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/


I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get
there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own
service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing
at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to
come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead
direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into
the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove
the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper.

What other alternatives are there?

Extend Barking Riverside under the river?
Take Crossrail into Thamesmead?

Wasn't the original version (Fleet Line) of the Jubilee line supposed to
have gone to Thamesmead in the first place.

Yes, but that was before Canary Wharf subsidised the diversion, and the
Olympics.


The rerouting was long before the Olympics were a consideration.

While the Olympics were the vehicle by which the redevelopment
happened, at the time the JLE was in planning, it was clear that
redevelopment in some format would take place, and providing better
transport links was intended to facilitate this (along with the white
elephant international station at Stratford).

Robin