On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 08:46:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...ould-be-demoli
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill. All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?

Is the project to build a hotel at Alexandra Palace still live? Maybe
the developers could contribute.

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 08:46:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...-could-be-demo
li
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting

track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?

Yes, a shuttle to highgate high level. Taking the line back to finsbury park
would be next to impossible now and the short section from muswell hill to the
palace has a school built on the trackbed so thats a non starter. I guess you
could use a tram but given there's a large northern line depot at highgate it
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars only.

Is the project to build a hotel at Alexandra Palace still live? Maybe
the developers could contribute.

Beats me, not heard about it. I don't live in that area but I do visit quite
often.

wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 08:46:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...-could-be-demo
li
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting

track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?

Yes, a shuttle to highgate high level. Taking the line back to finsbury park
would be next to impossible now and the short section from muswell hill to the
palace has a school built on the trackbed so thats a non starter. I guess you
could use a tram but given there's a large northern line depot at highgate it
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

Yes, all TfL projects that weren't already under way are on hold.

So, the new Piccadilly line train order is going ahead, but the extension
of the order to replace the even-older Bakerloo line trains is on hold.
That delay will become expensive if it leads to a break in production in
Goole. And, of course, the Bakerloo extension, also on hold, will depend on
the new train order going ahead. The Piccadilly resignalling, needed for a
higher frequency service, is also on hold. So they can't order the extra
trains that the Piccadilly would need for that higher frequency service. It
really is a logjam.

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

I thought Battersea was external funding.

Scott wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

I thought Battersea was external funding.


I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.

There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:58:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.

There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.

I wonder if they could tack a few onto the back of the picc order or whether
the trains would be too different to be able to run on the northern without
serious modifications. The northern line at 1 point had 3 different train
types running on it - 38,59,72 so it wouldn't be unprecedented.