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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 19:50:59 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:32:07 +0000 Clive Page wrote: On 04/12/2020 11:15, Recliner wrote: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...up-to-18-month s-before-the-line-opens-3tfqg5nhr?shareToken=4a6a1b0d9555d782c503924051dda 2d8 It's nice "work" if you can get it. But the job will be a lot less attractive in a few years time when services actually start running, when the generous salary is combined with actual work, and on a shift system at that. Some of them might decide to move elsewhere. Where would they move to? There arn't many blue collar jobs that pay north of 60K these days. Deep sea diver perhaps and a few other risky trades but hardly transferable skills and given what Covid has done to the economy and Brexit may soon do too they'll probably be thinking themselves lucky to have any job. To other TOCs with better work. Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. |
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On 08/12/2020 09:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 19:50:59 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:32:07 +0000 Clive Page wrote: On 04/12/2020 11:15, Recliner wrote: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...drivers-up-to- 18-month s-before-the-line-opens-3tfqg5nhr?shareToken=4a6a1b0d9555d782c503924051dda 2d8 It's nice "work" if you can get it.Â* But the job will be a lot less attractive in a few years time when services actually start running, when the generous salary is combined with actual work, and on a shift system at that. Some of them might decide to move elsewhere. Where would they move to? There arn't many blue collar jobs that pay north of 60K these days. Deep sea diver perhaps and a few other risky trades but hardly transferable skills and given what Covid has done to the economy and Brexit may soon do too they'll probably be thinking themselves lucky to have any job. To other TOCs with better work. Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). The driving is not confined to the tunnel section, there's plenty of open-air driving at each end. So would be much the same as driving the current suburban services at each end but with a bit of tube driving in the middle for variety. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:21:22 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. Thats probably a bonus - less learning. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). Most of its above ground. But I suspect any driving job gets boring after a while regardless of the vehicle, even flying a plane. |
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In message , at 09:49:44 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020,
Graeme Wall remarked: On 08/12/2020 09:21, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 19:50:59 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:32:07 +0000 Clive Page wrote: On 04/12/2020 11:15, Recliner wrote: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...drivers-up-to- 18-month s-before-the-line-opens-3tfqg5nhr?shareToken=4a6a1b0d9555d782c5039240 51dda2d8 It's nice "work" if you can get it.* But the job will be a lot less attractive in a few years time when services actually start running, when the generous salary is combined with actual work, and on a shift system at that. Some of them might decide to move elsewhere. Where would they move to? There arn't many blue collar jobs that pay north of 60K these days. Deep sea diver perhaps and a few other risky trades but hardly transferable skills and given what Covid has done to the economy and Brexit may soon do too they'll probably be thinking themselves lucky to have any job. To other TOCs with better work. Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). The driving is not confined to the tunnel section, there's plenty of open-air driving at each end. So would be much the same as driving the current suburban services at each end but with a bit of tube driving in the middle for variety. Isn't the tunnelled section going to be automatic operation? And if you worked for GA, I doubt your shifts would be constrained to shuttling LST-Shenfield, and never have the chance to go to other exotic destinations such as Chelmsford and Southend. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 10:55:26 on Tue, 8 Dec
2020, remarked: On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:21:22 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. Thats probably a bonus - less learning. See harder/easier. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). Most of its above ground. But I suspect any driving job gets boring after a while regardless of the vehicle, even flying a plane. It's probably more boring flying a commuter plane within a hundred mile radius of somewhere like Dallas or Atlanta, than being on long haul transatlantic flights to numerous destinations in Europe and the Far East. -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 19:50:59 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:32:07 +0000 Clive Page wrote: On 04/12/2020 11:15, Recliner wrote: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...up-to-18-month s-before-the-line-opens-3tfqg5nhr?shareToken=4a6a1b0d9555d782c503924051dda 2d8 It's nice "work" if you can get it. But the job will be a lot less attractive in a few years time when services actually start running, when the generous salary is combined with actual work, and on a shift system at that. Some of them might decide to move elsewhere. Where would they move to? There arn't many blue collar jobs that pay north of 60K these days. Deep sea diver perhaps and a few other risky trades but hardly transferable skills and given what Covid has done to the economy and Brexit may soon do too they'll probably be thinking themselves lucky to have any job. To other TOCs with better work. Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. Driving longer distances with fewer stops is always considered better/easier than driving shorter distances with many stops. Also the larger (geographically) TOCs will offer opportunities for relocation to other depots (I'm guessing most Crossrail drivers won’t want that right now, but might at some unspecified future point); eg I know many ex-Paddington crew now based at Worcester/Bristol/Swansea/Exeter/Plymouth/Penzance. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:55:26 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:21:22 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. Thats probably a bonus - less learning. See harder/easier. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). Most of its above ground. But I suspect any driving job gets boring after a while regardless of the vehicle, even flying a plane. It's probably more boring flying a commuter plane within a hundred mile radius of somewhere like Dallas or Atlanta, than being on long haul transatlantic flights to numerous destinations in Europe and the Far East. I think long distance flying is much more boring for the pilots. It's the take-offs and landings that make the job interesting; cruising is very boring. And on ultra long haul flights, the four pilots only get a single take-off or landing in a week-long return trip. That's not even enough to maintain their proficiency ratings. |
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:21:22 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. Thats probably a bonus - less learning. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). Most of its above ground. But I suspect any driving job gets boring after a while regardless of the vehicle, even flying a plane. That's why many airline pilots fly stunt or racing planes, or gliders as a hobby — it's the only way they can do any 'real' flying. |
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In message , at 11:18:45 on Tue, 8
Dec 2020, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:55:26 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:21:22 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:29:39 on Tue, 8 Dec 2020, remarked: Is being a crossrail driver harder or does it pay significantly less than elsewhere? Thats a genuine question, I have no idea. One obvious feature (that also applies to HEx, C2C and Island Line) is a relatively limited amount of route and traction knowledge required. Thats probably a bonus - less learning. See harder/easier. On the other hand, it's going to be pretty boring (like the Victoria Line or Waterloo and City). Most of its above ground. But I suspect any driving job gets boring after a while regardless of the vehicle, even flying a plane. It's probably more boring flying a commuter plane within a hundred mile radius of somewhere like Dallas or Atlanta, than being on long haul transatlantic flights to numerous destinations in Europe and the Far East. I think long distance flying is much more boring for the pilots. It's the take-offs and landings that make the job interesting; cruising is very boring. And on ultra long haul flights, the four pilots only get a single take-off or landing in a week-long return trip. That's not even enough to maintain their proficiency ratings. What's this "ultra long haul" thing got to do with anything? The majority of transatlantic flights are 10-12hrs. Have they got four pilots, and only do one round trip a week? -- Roland Perry |
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